Delete key protocol

[Ian_p]

Using the delete key for me is fraught with worry - as I 'think' it is context sensitive - i.e. which screen is on the lcd determines 'what' one is deleting?

However, is this right?

Attempting to delete a fixture from the fixture schedule screen either deletes all the fixtures as the 'Do you wish to delete all the selected fixtures' pops up before I've even typed a number, from other screens this offers to deletes playbacks when I trying to delete a cue within a playback.

The manual, both printed and online does not say which screen one has to be in to delete a fixture, and I suspect it is a vital detail. 

Can anyone kindly outline the difference key presses to delete a fixture, a playback or a cue please?

[kgallen]

I have similar worries on occasion and I'm a relatively experienced FLX user.

DELETE can be used in some pre-fix and some post-fix scenarios but since they are not universal I can understand there is some "ambiguity" where there isn't a button that can be used as a qualifier.

Where I can I'll use a qualifier, DELETE GROUP 1 for example.

On the fixture schedule I'll select first, 1 THRU 4 DELETE. Similar applies to cues in a playback which I believe (key to your question) is view-context sensitive.

DELETE <playback button> is usually a certain way to delete a whole playback as is DELETE <UDK>.

1 hour ago, Ian_p said:

Attempting to delete a fixture from the fixture schedule screen either deletes all the fixtures as the 'Do you wish to delete all the selected fixtures' pops up

I have asked for some time for the messaging to be improved - to be more specific about what is going to be deleted, otherwise the confirmation screen is pointless in providing a usable "are you sure" check. This is relevant in a number of DELETE scenarios. As yet this hasn't been forthcoming.

I thought the manual was fairly comprehensive on this topic (and clearly I'm not always comfortable with every scenario), but I'm sure Edward will read this thread and re-read the manual section to ensure it's clear, particularly in the areas you highlight. In that respect if there are other scenarios that give you butterflies then I'd capture them in this thread for Edward to review the documentation.

Having looked, what is evident of course that because DELETE can be used in so many contexts, it's not documented in its entirety in one section of the manual. It's documented in the section according to what is being deleted.

https://www.zero88.com/manuals/zeros/cues-playbacks/deleting

https://www.zero88.com/manuals/zeros/groups/deleting-groups

https://www.zero88.com/manuals/zeros/patching/fixture-schedule/deleting-fixtures

https://www.zero88.com/manuals/zeros/palettes/deleting-palettes

https://www.zero88.com/manuals/zeros/patching/fixture-schedule/syntax

 

[Edward Z88]

1 hour ago, Ian_p said:

Using the delete key for me is fraught with worry - as I 'think' it is context sensitive - i.e. which screen is on the lcd determines 'what' one is deleting?

However, is this right?

When it comes to deleting, it is always best practice to err on the side of caution!

When outside of Setup, it doesn't matter which window is shown on the internal touchscreen when you tap DELETE. After tapping delete, you then choose what you want to get rid of.

To get rid of a group/palette/macro, tap DELETE, and then tap the item on the touchscreen. To delete a playback or UDK, tap DELETE, and tap the playback or UDK's button. To delete a cue, tap DELETE, type the cue number, and then tap the button of the playback you wish to remove the cue from.

1 hour ago, Ian_p said:

The manual, both printed and online does not say which screen one has to be in to delete a fixture, and I suspect it is a vital detail. 

When in Setup > Fixture Schedule, the DELETE behaviour is reversed - you first select the fixtures you wish to remove, then tap DELETE, then confirm. Any fixtures with LEDs lit below their channel faders, will be deleted if you confirm the delete operation. 

https://www.zero88.com/manuals/zeros/patching/fixture-schedule/deleting-fixtures

35 minutes ago, kgallen said:

I have asked for some time for the messaging to be improved - to be more specific about what is going to be deleted, otherwise the confirmation screen is pointless in providing a usable "are you sure" check. This is relevant in a number of DELETE scenarios. As yet this hasn't been forthcoming.

The next software update (ZerOS 7.14) should help improve this (the next beta version will include these enhancements, reference number ZOS-8853).

Hope this helps,

[Ian_p]

Thanks both - this working on the FLX - the protocol of selecting first and then pressing Delete makes sense to me. 

However I think I do have an issue on the FLXS24 - I can't update a fixture without crashing the desk - when I touch the DMX field in the add a fixture the desk immediately reboots, but I realize this is a separate issue and will wait for 7.14, as we are using the FLX for this show.

[Edward Z88]

Hi @Ian_p

4 hours ago, Ian_p said:

when I touch the DMX field in the add a fixture the desk immediately reboots,

In Add Fixtures, we are aware of an issue where if you tap into the DMX address field, and then click "Back" to go back to the library, this can result in a crash. This will be fixed in ZerOS 7.14.