Select, save just one feature ("slicing" a show)

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On my brand new FLX S, I want to understand the philosophy in solving the following use case 
(my wording is generic and might not yet correspond to  Zero 88 FLX s):

Image you have a  range of different fixtures (LED Spots, LED Moving Heads) on stage and 
are programing your show.
 
What is the easiest and fastest way during programming to:
- selelct
- and consquently save
just ONE feature in a Cue?

Background:
I want to run a show by adding / combining manually Cues
- let's call it "slicing a show",

eg:
 
CUE 1: moving light position A
CUE 2: moving light position B
CUE 3: moving light position C
CUE 4. color mix A
CUE 5. color mix B
CUE 6: Gobo mix A
CUE 7: Gobo mix B
CUE 8: moving light animation A
CUE 9: moving light animation B
 
Running the show:
 
Scene 1 = CUE 1 + CUE 4
Scene 2 = CUE 1 + CUE 6
Scene 3 = CUE 2 + CUE 5 + CUE 9
etc.

[kgallen]

Tracking on

SmartTag on (usually)

Just change the one thing and record. If that one thing isn't intensity but the intensity relating to the one thing is zero then you will need to turn off SmartTag in order to record the one thing.

When programming, groups are usually essential if you are wanting to select multiple fixtures.

Running the show, then ensure the playback buttons of your "CUE x" are set to GO.

Sounds like you want to do similar to this Manual section, but also want to do similar with position, beam and shape. Same approach as for colour in this: https://www.zero88.com/manuals/zeros/cues-playbacks/playing-back-cues/rgb-colour-mixing-on-playbacks

The one thing you never want to do when working this way is to be in Cue Only or record with snapshot.

Better answers incoming from the Z88 folk...

[Edward Z88]

Hi @discover

1 hour ago, discover said:

CUE 1: moving light position A
CUE 2: moving light position B
CUE 3: moving light position C
CUE 4. color mix A
CUE 5. color mix B
CUE 6: Gobo mix A
CUE 7: Gobo mix B
CUE 8: moving light animation A
CUE 9: moving light animation B
 
Running the show:
 
Scene 1 = CUE 1 + CUE 4
Scene 2 = CUE 1 + CUE 6
Scene 3 = CUE 2 + CUE 5 + CUE 9

Firstly, apologies if I have misunderstood your query.

Would you like to operate your show, by mixing different combinations of cues together on the fly?

If so, each of your cues will need to be programmed onto separate playback faders. In your example above, you would therefore end up with 9 playbacks - one for each cue.

You could then raise the combination of playback faders you need to create your scene.

If you wanted to, you could then record the combination of playbacks into a cue on the master playback. 

Hope this helps. Let us know if you have any questions.

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On 5/24/2023 at 11:35 AM, Edward Z88 said:

Would you like to operate your show, by mixing different combinations of cues together on the fly?

Thanks, Edward

Yes, this is the first part of my question (live mix) 😃

 

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On 5/24/2023 at 11:35 AM, Edward Z88 said:

If you wanted to, you could then record the combination of playbacks into a cue on the master playback. 

Thanks, Edward

And yes, this is the 2nd part of my question
(1. mix and save and
 2. use/play back the "static" mix for shows with fixed scenes) 😃

[Edward Z88]

9 minutes ago, discover said:

And yes, this is the 2nd part of my question
(1. mix and save and
 2. use/play back the "static" mix for shows with fixed scenes) 😃

If you raise playback faders, you can simply tap RECORD, and then tap the button below the playback you wish to store your scene onto. You can then lower your playback faders, and recall your scene using the playback you just recorded onto.

As @kgallen mentioned, you will need to ensure SmartTag is enabled in the Record Options to capture other playbacks into cues, however SmartTag should be on by default.

[discover]

Thanks; I think I got the most of it 🙂
I am preparing for an upcoming show with moving heads, now.

If I playback
CUE 4. color mix A
CUE 5. color mix B
it works as requested:

the position remains with previous playback of
CUE 1: moving light position A

If i store e.g.
CUE 1: moving light position A
Has it to be stored necessarly with a intensity/light on (raised fader)?

Background ot this question is:
In a theatre show I might fade the lights of a current scene and
with a next Cue/Playback, I want to move the moving heads "in the dark" ("blind") to their next position.

- The audiance shall not see the movement of the moving lights at all.
 

[Edward Z88]

On 11/17/2023 at 7:25 PM, discover said:

Has it to be stored necessarly with a intensity/light on (raised fader)?

No - you don't have to include intensity information in a cue, you could just record position information. However, if you just want to record position data without the fixture being on, you'll need to ensure SmartTag is disabled in the Record Options window. So, this would be the workflow:

1. Double tap CLEAR
2. Select your fixtures, and only adjust their position, leaving their intensity off
3. Press-and-hold RECORD to open the Record Options window, and ensure that "SmartTag" has a blue stripe, meaning disabled. If it is red, tap it to disable.
4. Then, tap the button below the playback you wish to record to
5. Double tap CLEAR

On 11/17/2023 at 7:25 PM, discover said:

In a theatre show I might fade the lights of a current scene and
with a next Cue/Playback, I want to move the moving heads "in the dark" ("blind") to their next position.

- The audiance shall not see the movement of the moving lights at all.

If you have recorded a lighting state on a playback fader, and you want the lights to prepare before raising the playback's fader, you could change the playback's flash button to be a Go button. This means you could then press the playback's button to prepare the fixtures, prior to then raising the playback's fader. To change the playback's button, hold SETUP and tap the playback's button, and from the options at the bottom choose either Go (Fade) or Go (Snap).

Hope this helps.

[discover]

2 hours ago, Edward Z88 said:

No - you don't have to include intensity information in a cue, you could just record position information. However, if you just want to record position data without the fixture being on, you'll need to ensure SmartTag is disabled in the Record Options window. So, this would be the workflow:

1. Double tap CLEAR
2. Select your fixtures, and only adjust their position, leaving their intensity off
3. Press-and-hold RECORD to open the Record Options window, and ensure that "SmartTag" has a blue stripe, meaning disabled. If it is red, tap it to disable.
4. Then, tap the button below the playback you wish to record to
5. Double tap CLEAR

Thanks, Edward
As  Kevin stated above, to leave SmartTag enabled: will this disabling refer to:
- all Playbacks/Cues or 
- just this Playback/Cue?
 

[Edward Z88]

1 minute ago, discover said:

As  Kevin stated above, to leave SmartTag enabled: will this disabling refer to:
- all Playbacks/Cues or 
- just this Playback/Cue?

Enabling/disabling SmartTag will affect what gets included when recording/updating. It does not affect cues that have already been recorded.

To be selective of what does and what doesn't get recorded, you will need to work with SmartTag disabled. Please click the link below for more information...

https://www.zero88.com/manuals/zeros/cues-playbacks/record-options/snapshot-smarttag#smarttag

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22 hours ago, Edward Z88 said:

If you have recorded a lighting state on a playback fader, and you want the lights to prepare before raising the playback's fader, you could change the playback's flash button to be a Go button. This means you could then press the playback's button to prepare the fixtures, prior to then raising the playback's fader. To change the playback's button, hold SETUP and tap the playback's button, and from the options at the bottom choose either Go (Fade) or Go (Snap).

 

Thanks, Edward

a) Do y understand you right: "prepare" means in this case:
moving them to the new postion without/before lighting up?

b) If I "change the playback's flash button to be a Go button"
will it just afect this single flash button?

Here again, I want to be shure that these changes do not affect the whole concept of "slicing" a show.
 

[Edward Z88]

27 minutes ago, discover said:

a) Do y understand you right: "prepare" means in this case:
moving them to the new postion without/before lighting up?

That is correct. By "prepare", I mean triggering all programmed parameters to go to their defined values, prior to raising the intensity with the playback's fader. So: Colour, Beam, Shape, Position, & Effect values will be activated.

28 minutes ago, discover said:

b) If I "change the playback's flash button to be a Go button"
will it just afect this single flash button?

That is correct. If you open the settings of a playback, you will only be configuring the behaviour of this single playback. Please click the link below for more information...

https://www.zero88.com/manuals/zeros/cues-playbacks/playback-settings

[discover]

On 11/21/2023 at 10:41 AM, Edward Z88 said:

 If I "change the playback's flash button to be a Go button"
will it just afect this single flash button?

That is correct. If you open the settings of a playback, you will only be configuring the behaviour of this single playback. 

Thanks, I have successfully tested that and it works fine for me in this case 🙂

As an outlook:
would it work with a Cue-List or not?
 

[Edward Z88]

3 hours ago, discover said:

Thanks, I have successfully tested that and it works fine for me in this case 🙂

Great - thanks for letting me know.

3 hours ago, discover said:

would it work with a Cue-List or not?

Yes it would. However, if you have a Cue Stack on a playback, the playback's button will already be a Go button by default.

Please let me know if you have any questions.