Attribut ZOOM (beam) sur la FLX S48

[delfine]

Bonjour, 

Bon, pour la première fois, je me suis retrouver cette semaine avec des parleds ayant un zoom.

Je n'avais pour le moment tester cette console que avec de parrled RGBW et du trad.

Je n'ai pas eu le temps de trop chercher, mais j'aurais voulu avoir l'intensité de mes parleds sur un PB et le zoom de 0 à full sur un autre playback.

Comment faire ? Je n'ai pas réussi. 

J'ai enregistré l'intensité de mes parleds dans un PB, j'ai enregistré mon zoom max dans un autre PB et ai activé : fader control Beam.

Mais lorsque je descendais mon fader d'intensité et le remontais mon zoom se remettait à sa valeur par défaut :(((

Est-ce une histoire de priorité ??? Avez-vous des astuces ? Là, je sèche un peu, et n'ai pas eu le temps de chercher sur place. J'ai de nouveau un concert dans deux jours avec des parleds avec des zooms et j'aimerais bien avoir des pistes avant.

Merci !

[Davidmk]

What you've done should work - I've done similar many times.

Sounds like you may have recorded the zoom parameter with your intensity.

Delete the intensity playback and re-record it making sure beam is not selected.

Also, if you haven't already, press & hold setup and press the zoom playback button then select the general tab and ensure beam is selected under fader controls.

[kgallen]

It might also be that Release on Lower is set on the Intensity playback, this means once lowered the console is no longer controlling the fixture (i.e. zoom) from the playbacks.

[delfine]

17 hours ago, kgallen said:

It might also be that Release on Lower is set on the Intensity playback, this means once lowered the console is no longer controlling the fixture (i.e. zoom) from the playbacks.

Yes, it maybe that ! I will try again wednesday.

thanks a lot

[kgallen]

20 minutes ago, delfine said:

Yes, it maybe that ! I will try again wednesday.

thanks a lot

My explanation was terrible and probably technically incorrect, but it feels like the cause.

Probably you will have to change the Release on Lower setting on your Zoom fader too. The other point about the Zoom fader is the beam/shape parameter will be LTP, so if any other playback controls the zoom of these fixtures then your Zoom fader will be "out of date".

Hopefully Edward can clarify!

[Edward Z88]

19 hours ago, Davidmk said:

Sounds like you may have recorded the zoom parameter with your intensity.

I think @Davidmk has hit the nail on the head here - it sounds to me like there is zoom information recorded in the intensity playback. Therefore when you raise the intensity playback, the zoom will always go to the value that is stored in the cue, replacing the zoom value that had been controlled by your Zoom playback.

When you want to start getting specific about what gets recorded where, I'd recommend disabling SmartTag in the Record Options. Therefore bring up the intensity of your fixture. Then press and hold RECORD, and from the Record Options window ensure that the SmartTag button is disabled, indicated with a blue stripe on the button. You can then tap the button below the playback fader you wish to use for the fixture's intensity. Then double tap CLEAR select the fixture, and then adjust only the Zoom parameter to the level you need it. Then tap RECORD, and tap the button below the fader you wish to control Zoom. Then go into the settings of this playback, and enable Fader Controls Beam.

This will give you 2 independent playbacks - one for the fixture's intensity, and the other for Zoom.

Hope this helps,

Edward

[delfine]

3 hours ago, Edward Z88 said:

je pense @Davidmk a mis le doigt sur la tête ici - il me semble qu'il y a des informations de zoom enregistrées dans la lecture d'intensité. Par conséquent, lorsque vous augmentez l'intensité de la lecture, le zoom ira toujours à la valeur stockée dans la mémoire, remplaçant la valeur de zoom qui avait été contrôlée par votre lecture Zoom.

Lorsque vous souhaitez commencer à préciser ce qui est enregistré où, je vous recommande de désactiver SmartTag dans les options d'enregistrement. Montez donc l'intensité de votre luminaire. Appuyez ensuite sur ENREGISTRER et maintenez-le enfoncé, et à partir de la fenêtre Options d'enregistrement, assurez-vous que le bouton SmartTag est désactivé, indiqué par une bande bleue sur le bouton. Vous pouvez ensuite appuyer sur le bouton sous le fader de lecture que vous souhaitez utiliser pour l'intensité de l'appareil. Appuyez ensuite deux fois sur CLEAR pour sélectionner l'appareil, puis ajustez uniquement le paramètre Zoom au niveau dont vous avez besoin. Appuyez ensuite sur ENREGISTRER, puis sur le bouton sous le curseur que vous souhaitez contrôler le zoom. Ensuite, allez dans les paramètres de cette lecture, et activez Fader Controls Beam.

Cela vous donnera 2 lectures indépendantes - une pour l'intensité de l'appareil et l'autre pour le zoom.

J'espère que cela t'aides,

Edouard

Je pense vraiment avoir fait ça, et vérifier à plusieurs reprises. Maintenant que je n'ai plus rien sous la main, je ne peux rien vérifier. Mais je vais donc retenter cette méthode qui me parait la plus logique. 

Merci beaucoup

[Ed75]

Sorry to 'misuse' yor topic for this, but I was playing with the same subject a few days ago. Managed to get every fixture parameter under a fader, just for the fun of trying it, and see how it worked, and learning it. 

I also managed to put pan and tilt under two faders, BUT....it seemed the '0' to '100' range referred tot the 'home' position as '0' . Which is in my case 50% of the real pan and tilt.   *)

Which left me with half of the full range on a fader. Is this normal behaviour? Or do I miss something here? (again 🤓 )    

Recording with the values at zero resulted in the first half of the movement on a fader, (0-50%) recording at 100% resulted in the second half. (50-100%)

It's not important , I am not going to use it this way for pan and tilt, but it leaves me a bit curious now.

*) : could it be the default values of the fixture itself too, causing this?

[Edward Z88]

Hi Ed,

13 hours ago, Ed75 said:

I also managed to put pan and tilt under two faders, BUT....it seemed the '0' to '100' range referred tot the 'home' position as '0' . Which is in my case 50% of the real pan and tilt.   *)

Which left me with half of the full range on a fader. Is this normal behaviour? Or do I miss something here? (again 🤓 )    

Recording with the values at zero resulted in the first half of the movement on a fader, (0-50%) recording at 100% resulted in the second half. (50-100%)

It's not important , I am not going to use it this way for pan and tilt, but it leaves me a bit curious now.

*) : could it be the default values of the fixture itself too, causing this?

When you record a parameter onto a playback, and enable Fader Controls, the fader will crossfade the parameter from its current value, to the recorded value. If Pan/Tilt are currently at default, the fader will therefore fade you from 50% to the recorded value.

You could therefore update the default for the fixture's Pan and Tilt to 0%. That way your playback faders would have control from 0% to 50%, with the fixtures in their original default position when the fader is at 50% travel.

Information on editing fixture default values here...

https://zero88.com/manuals/zeros/controlling-fixtures/defaults

Tip - record your fixture's Pan and Tilt at 0% in a position palette. Then apply your new position palette, and then update the fixture's defaults. That way, the fixture's default value will reference the position palette. This allows you to easily update the palette, to change the fixture's defaults.

Hope this helps,

Edward

[delfine]

1 hour ago, Edward Z88 said:

Astuce - enregistrez le panoramique et l'inclinaison de votre appareil à 0% dans une palette de positions. Appliquez ensuite votre nouvelle palette de positions, puis mettez à jour les valeurs par défaut de l'appareil. De cette façon, la valeur par défaut de l'appareil référencera la palette de positions. Cela vous permet de mettre à jour facilement la palette, de changer les valeurs par défaut de l'appareil.

Yes ! Je n'avais pas pensé à ça. Merci pour l'astuce !!!

[Ed75]

9 hours ago, Edward Z88 said:

Hi Ed,

When you record a parameter onto a playback, and enable Fader Controls, the fader will crossfade the parameter from its current value, to the recorded value. If Pan/Tilt are currently at default, the fader will therefore fade you from 50% to the recorded value.

You could therefore update the default for the fixture's Pan and Tilt to 0%. That way your playback faders would have control from 0% to 50%, with the fixtures in their original default position when the fader is at 50% travel.

Information on editing fixture default values here...

https://zero88.com/manuals/zeros/controlling-fixtures/defaults

Tip - record your fixture's Pan and Tilt at 0% in a position palette. Then apply your new position palette, and then update the fixture's defaults. That way, the fixture's default value will reference the position palette. This allows you to easily update the palette, to change the fixture's defaults.

Hope this helps,

Edward

Yes, I got it. just tried a little bit. So the conclusion is indeed the max or the min fader value,  (rec at 0  default is max. rec at 100 default is min. ) , depends on the fixture's default values in the desk.  As my question was .

I put them in 0 pan/tilt as default and it works. The palette idea is nice. 

Thanks a lot again! !