Colour on Flash Button

[PJRichards]

Hi

I'm trying to record a playback so that when its flash button is pressed it bumps all the fixtures (LED) to White and then releases back to the colour that is currently in the programmer - I've disabled smart tag so only colour is recorded on the playback and it works to bump to the white but then releases back to the fixtures default colour and not the colour that was previously selected...it's almost like it is clearing the programmer - is there any way around this?

Basically I want the flash button to override LTP whatever is in the programmer but not clear it...tried all the settings and options used in the mixing colour tutorials / previous forum posts but they don't seem to be working...

 

[kgallen]

Turn off SmartTag when you record. Make sure you only changed the colour attributes to red. Ensure Setup on the button says Release on Lower.

I usually use a UDK for something like this - usually a strobe for me using RGBxx LEDs. Same process.

[PJRichards]

Smart Tag is off - it works absolutely fine if I've got a base colour running in another cue stack - can bump over not a problem but if i've busked in a colour manually into the programmer  using a colour pallet - press the white cues flash button and it then clears this manual colour out when it is released.

[kgallen]

Hmm yea if your live stage state is from the programmer then maybe you are in trouble.

Let's see if Edward says your approach is viable if you're using programmer state live. Sorry I can't be any more help!

[Edward Z88]

Hi @PJRichards

Welcome to the Zero 88 Forum.

53 minutes ago, PJRichards said:

I'm trying to record a playback so that when its flash button is pressed it bumps all the fixtures (LED) to White and then releases back to the colour that is currently in the programmer

When colours are recorded in playbacks, they will mix LTP (Latest Takes Precedence) with the programmer. Therefore if you manually tell your fixtures to go red in the programmer, and then flash them white from a playback, they will stay white, as white is the most recent instruction they are given. They will only go red again, if they are given an instruction to do so.

You won't be able to achieve what you're after using the playback's flash button, but you could use the playback's fader. To do this, you would need to enable Fader Controls Colour and disable Release on Lower for your White playback. To do this, hold SETUP and tap your white playback’s button. From the Settings, enable Fader Controls Colour. Then choose Raise and Lower at the top. You can then choose to disable Release on Lower and click OK. Now snapping the fader to full will go to white, and when lowering this playback, you will fade from the recorded colour (white) to the previous manual colour, with no snap to white. To allow you to “re-trigger” this playback, you’ll need to then manually release it first, by pressing and holding the CLEAR button and tapping the white playback’s button.

For more information on Raise and Lower, see the link below…

https://zero88.com/manuals/zeros/cues-playbacks/playback-settings/raise-and-lower

When mixing between playbacks, the behaviour is different. If your fixtures were red from one playback, and you flash them in white from another playback, they will revert back to red once the white playback is released, as they revert to the most recent playback.

I hope this helps, if you have any questions let me know.

Edward

[PJRichards]

3 hours ago, Edward Z88 said:

When mixing between playbacks, the behaviour is different. If your fixtures were red from one playback, and you flash them in white from another playback, they will revert back to red once the white playback is released, as they revert to the most recent playback.

Thanks Edward I think I'd concluded it just wasn't possible - the thing that threw me was the fact that the syntax saying "group X" "Colour X"  is still sitting in the command line so was hoping that it would be possible to revert back to the programmer and the command line in the same way that it reverts back to the most recent playback as the most recent action outputting was actually the command line entry...possible future update?

 

[kgallen]

1 hour ago, PJRichards said:

so was hoping that it would be possible to revert back to the programmer and the command line in the same way that it reverts back to the most recent playback as the most recent action outputting was actually the command line entry...possible future update?

I'm not sure that's really how the programmer is intended to work and I think changing that could muddle the use model - as far as I understand it, the programmer is a staging post for assembling the data for a cue. I realise you can busk in a crude sense with the programmer - in that you can get a live look, even timed with Programmer Time, but I don't thinks it's seriously intended for actual live "booked-and-paid-for" busking use.

I sympathise, but I'm not sure that would be the right sort of update. Still it's not my call!

Is there a specific reason you use the programmer like this - is it that you get access to more variables for your look than having a few pages of playbacks/submasters?

Don't you find it clumsy/clunky to get out of the "programmer state" and get the rig back under control in a "professional" way?