Manual Fade and Go Fade in Cue list + BUG ?

[Transversales]

2 things:

Is there a way to mix manual fade (2 way) with Go (fade) ? Using the manual fade seem to desactivate permanently the Go button.

After using a manual fade on a cue list, how to revert to another fader mode (HTP or the other manual fade) without deleting the cue list, turning on/off the FLX S48 or making a save/Load of a file.

Some few other note:

if after using manual fade you press CLEAR+GO, the fader become desactivated (Go is still not responding), and trying to change the fader mode, make appear a new line at the begining of the cue list, with the Q# "--".

The same things could be reproduced on any MFF.

This was tested on firmware 7.9.7 and 7.9.8 on a real bord, and in the phantomOS.

 

[Edward Z88]

Hello,

9 minutes ago, Transversales said:

Is there a way to mix manual fade (2 way) with Go (fade) ? Using the manual fade seem to desactivate permanently the Go button.

No there isn't - if you choose to use the Manual Fade options, the fader advances you through your cues, rather than the Go button.

10 minutes ago, Transversales said:

After using a manual fade on a cue list, how to revert to another fader mode (HTP or the other manual fade) without deleting the cue list, turning on/off the FLX S48 or making a save/Load of a file.

After operating a cue list with Manual Fader 1-way or 2-way, it cannot simply be changed to a different Fader Function. Therefore if you do wish to operate the cue list with a different fader function, change the cue list to the fader function you need, and then copy it to an empty playback fader. The new copy will then playback with your newly chosen fader function.

13 minutes ago, Transversales said:

if after using manual fade you press CLEAR+GO, the fader become desactivated (Go is still not responding), and trying to change the fader mode, make appear a new line at the begining of the cue list, with the Q# "--".

The same things could be reproduced on any MFF.

We are aware of this issue, where after manually releasing a Manual Fade playback it can no longer be triggered. This is logged on our software tracking system as reference number ZOS-5803.

If you have any questions let us know.

Edward

[Transversales]

thanks.

11 minutes ago, Edward- Z88 said:

We are aware of this issue, where after manually releasing a Manual Fade playback it can no longer be triggered. This is logged on our software tracking system as reference number ZOS-5803.

I'm glad that it's already in your bug tracker. I hope solving this bug could re-init the fader mode at the same time. This could prevent the use of copy/paste too, since it's counterintuitive to not be able to revert back.  

 

[Kauz]

Hi Edward,

it looks like I experienced the issue mentioned above just yesterday with a recent ZerOS version on our FLX. Fun fact: Right after changing the fader fuction from "HTP master" to "Manual Fader", the Go button was still working. However, the Go button stopped working, as soon as the fader was moved once. As mentioned above, there is no easy way to make the Go button work again. From my humble user perspective this feels like a bug. Moreover, I am surprised that there is a (theatre) console on the market which doesn't (at least) support switching between automatic and manual crossfade during a show.

In "What would you like to see in Zeros?" you mentioned, that the use of "Go" alongside with "Manual Fader" was logged as ZOS-5803. Can you give a rough prediction when we might see this improvement in ZerOS?

[Edward Z88]

Hi @Kauz

5 hours ago, Kauz said:

it looks like I experienced the issue mentioned above just yesterday with a recent ZerOS version on our FLX. 

It sounds like you may not be running the latest software on your FLX. The two issues below have been fixed in ZerOS 7.14:

5 hours ago, Kauz said:

s mentioned above, there is no easy way to make the Go button work again. From my humble user perspective this feels like a bug. Moreover, I am surprised that there is a (theatre) console on the market which doesn't (at least) support switching between automatic and manual crossfade during a show.

The ability to change the playback Fader Function from "Manual Fade" back to "HTP Master" has been implemented, reference number ZOS-8363.

5 hours ago, Kauz said:

ZOS-5803. Can you give a rough prediction when we might see this improvement in ZerOS?

On 10/16/2020 at 3:16 PM, Edward Z88 said:

We are aware of this issue, where after manually releasing a Manual Fade playback it can no longer be triggered. This is logged on our software tracking system as reference number ZOS-5803.

ZOS-5803 has also been implemented. Both of these reference numbers can be found alongside the various other changes and improvements in the ZerOS 7.14 release notes...

https://vari-lite.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/graphics/technical/documents/ZerOS-7.14-release-notes.pdf

I hope this helps.

[Kauz]

Hi @Edward Z88,

 oops! I should have checked the latest software prior to asking the question. With the release of 7.14 you guys were 50 days ahead of my post. Thank you for resolving this issue and reminding me of the new release! After the upgrade I got the Go button operational again by means of switching the fader function back to "HTP master".

Is it now also possible to use the Go button while the fader is configured to "Manual Fade" mode? I was hoping the ability to also use the Go button might include this, but haven't yet found the trick to make it work.

Sidenote: My use case is a multi user issue. If I would leave the console in "Manual Fade" mode after a show, less experienced colleagues will be confused because the Go button doesn't work. I am afraid I will have to write a checklist what to do before leaving the desk to "operators". Maybe I can assign at least some tasks to macro.

Summary: Thanks for resolving the major issue! The ability to also use the Go button without reconfiguring the fader mode would save me from making "mistakes" which cannot be resolved by operators. However, it is likely that you have issues with higher priority on your list.

 

[Edward Z88]

Hi @Kauz

4 hours ago, Kauz said:

 oops! I should have checked the latest software prior to asking the question. With the release of 7.14 you guys were 50 days ahead of my post. Thank you for resolving this issue and reminding me of the new release! After the upgrade I got the Go button operational again by means of switching the fader function back to "HTP master".

No problem at all.

4 hours ago, Kauz said:

Is it now also possible to use the Go button while the fader is configured to "Manual Fade" mode?

No - this functionality is not possible. When in Manual Fade mode, the GO button is disabled, and the fader movement is the only way of activating the next cue. 

4 hours ago, Kauz said:

Sidenote: My use case is a multi user issue. If I would leave the console in "Manual Fade" mode after a show, less experienced colleagues will be confused because the Go button doesn't work. I am afraid I will have to write a checklist what to do before leaving the desk to "operators". Maybe I can assign at least some tasks to macro.

Have you experimented with the Speed Override control? This allows you to use the GO button to trigger cues, and a secondary fader to speed up or slow down the fade transitions. This also means you can lower the intensity output of the Master Playback using the Master Playback's fader, which is not possible when set to Manual Fade mode.

Please click the link below for more information...

https://www.zero88.com/manuals/zeros/cues-playbacks/special-playback-functions

Let us know if you have any questions.

[LLuk]

Hey Edward...

i am a little confused now...

in a former post of mine about an active Go-button within "manual fade" option, you wrote:

On 10/22/2021 at 2:44 PM, Edward Z88 said:

When a playback is set to "Manual Fade", the Go button is disabled. Rather than using the Go button, moving the fader advances you through your cues.

However, the ability to also use the Go button, is something that we would like to implement. This is logged on our software tracking system as reference number ZOS-5803.

...and now you guys implement ZOS-5803 but it seems like its just the same as ZOS-8363.

so is an active Go-Button just a dream or its something it will come.??

 

have a nice evening Luk

 

[LLuk]

or is it technical just not possible..??

[Edward Z88]

18 hours ago, LLuk said:

so is an active Go-Button just a dream or its something it will come.??

The requirements of ZOS-5803 were partially change during development, and this issue did not end up covering enabling the Go button with the “Manual Fade” options. 

At the moment, there are no plans to enable the Go button when a playback is set to “Manual Fade”. This means cues are only advanced using the fader movement, rather than a mixture of both fader movement and go button press. 

[LLuk]

hey denks for the answer.

its a pity, that there are no plans for it anymore.

good evening