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Hi @Davidmk@Uriahdemon and @Edward- Z88

I've done a bit of work within Lightjams software converting  midi CC data to  Midi note data. After sorting that out it became clear that I really hadn't understood ZerOS processing of Midi notes. As the velocity information is used to determine the fade up time, as soon as I move a CC fader the FLX playback triggers with a fade up time that relates to the position of the CC fader on the midi controller. Now that I understand this I can work with a pad controller and keep anything that I want flexible control of on page 1 Something like this

Beam fixtures intensity  controlled by a MFF fader page 1 

Beam Colour changes page 4 triggered by Launchpad

Beam effects page 4  triggered by Launchpad

Beam Effect size controlled by a MFF fader page 1 (I can then make the beam sweep bigger or small during a show)

Edward can you tell me how software tracker reference number ZOS-10271 might work. I know I might looking for  a very personal vision of how I use my FLX and I'm always open to see how other people might use it but I would want the ability to assign induvial CC's to certain MFF eg some playbacks triggered by midi notes and some controlled by CC's

Chris 

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Hi Chris,

11 hours ago, stowedout said:

Edward can you tell me how software tracker reference number ZOS-10271 might work. I know I might looking for  a very personal vision of how I use my FLX and I'm always open to see how other people might use it but I would want the ability to assign induvial CC's to certain MFF eg some playbacks triggered by midi notes and some controlled by CC's

Currently, the draft specification for this would be similar to how MIDI Notes is now, in terms of it is simply mapped 1:1. There wouldn't be any means of mapping MIDI CC to individual faders - CC 20 would be channel 20, or playback 20, depending on whether CC is set to Channels or Playbacks control in Setup -> Triggers.

You would therefore still be able to achieve controlling playbacks with Notes and CC, and in your MIDI package you can just control a playback with whichever method works for you.

These CC levels would mix with the playbacks, in exactly the same way FLX with a Wing does, when FLX and Wing are both on the same page.

As I said, this is initial draft specifications. No plans yet. OSC implementation may come first.

Hope this helps,

Edward

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Hi David,

9 hours ago, Davidmk said:

can't say I've noticed velocity making any difference to fade times.

A Velocity of 0 will not trigger the playback. A velocity of 1 will give a 5 second fade time to full, and as the velocity is increased, this will shorten the fade time, until you reach a velocity of 127 which will Snap.

Edward

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3 hours ago, Edward- Z88 said:

No plans yet

Well, if there are no plans perhaps I could put some ideas out there

  1. Backwards compatibility. As we can see from this topic people have invested time and money in making the current facilities work for them.
  2. That said, maybe you could fiddle with the code around "first note" so that, while still being able to map note 0 to pb 1 you could map it or note 1 to any starting point.
  3. Could you borrow from the remote switches functionality and make midi notes work like a much bigger set of remotes?
  4. That would have a significant on the size of the setup screen so it might not fly but perhaps you could allow notes to execute macros direct rather than having to use pbs & cues to execute them.
  5. Notice I'm not mentioning CC, TimeCode, show control or any other midi controls. The more reasonably priced midi surfaces are predominately note based so I haven't really looked into them.
  6. Buttons are badly neglected with no button wing. Let's face it, if there was a button wing we might not even be having this conversation. In it's absence maybe you could allow notes to trigger buttons.
  7. The community would absolutely love USB midi, think how often that comes up in the forum.

I've had a long career in software so I have tried to see how existing functionality could be extended, you have code that recognises incoming midi which could, perhaps, trigger existing code for remote switches and buttons. I do recognise that it isn't that simple and you cannot risk anything that would impact performance of the rest of the code but it must be worth a look.

4 hours ago, Edward- Z88 said:

OSC implementation may come first

I would have loved that when I first got my desk, I used to use it with QLC+, but there's something about a physical control that gives you more confidence when busking so now I have midi working and I have made the investment in midi hardware I am less bothered.

I could see the attraction for others using their existing tablets and if faders could actually be used to fade pb's then I might dabble with it myself.

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On 10/23/2020 at 9:17 AM, Edward- Z88 said:

Hi Chris,

Currently, the draft specification for this would be similar to how MIDI Notes is now, in terms of it is simply mapped 1:1. There wouldn't be any means of mapping MIDI CC to individual faders - CC 20 would be channel 20, or playback 20, depending on whether CC is set to Channels or Playbacks control in Setup -> Triggers.

You would therefore still be able to achieve controlling playbacks with Notes and CC, and in your MIDI package you can just control a playback with whichever method works for you.

These CC levels would mix with the playbacks, in exactly the same way FLX with a Wing does, when FLX and Wing are both on the same page.

As I said, this is initial draft specifications. No plans yet. OSC implementation may come first.

Hope this helps,

Edward

Hi @Edward- Z88 thanks for your reply. Just to clarify the Zero88 plan would be to globally choose CC or Note control not choose the control method for each playback or channel? I agree with @Davidmk something like the remote switches functionality to allocate control would be great

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58 minutes ago, stowedout said:

choose CC or Note control not choose the control method for each playback or channel

One thing to remember is that even you have midi notes and/or CC assigned to playbacks you can still operate them through the desk so, while the number of controls you can use through midi is limited by the midi specification, which are actually controlled by midi depends on which notes/CCs you choose to send. I think!

Mapping midi notes to macros would let you trigger any 127 (or 128) things. I presume "things" could be cues, playback, buttons or whatever you can put together a macro for (e.g. something silly like select group, apply position & beam pallettes and select colour with the macro then use colour picker to pick a range of colours manually)  if that is what takes your fancy. 

Am I right Edward?

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Hi David & Chris,

59 minutes ago, stowedout said:

Just to clarify the Zero88 plan would be to globally choose CC or Note control not choose the control method for each playback or channel?

Currently this is envisioned that CC is simply a fourth MIDI option within Triggers. This could then be set to Playbacks, Channels, or disabled.

6 minutes ago, Davidmk said:

Mapping midi notes to macros would let you trigger any 127 (or 128) things. I presume "things" could be cues, playback, buttons or whatever you can put together a macro

Currently you have Cues, Playbacks and Channels for Notes control. In theory we could add a fourth MIDI Notes option to this for Macros. Which as you could say, could then trigger almost anything you wanted.

Edward

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20 minutes ago, Edward- Z88 said:

In theory we could add a fourth MIDI Notes option to this for Macros. Which as you could say, could then trigger almost anything you wanted.

That ought be enough to shut all of us up on the midi front, what are the odds it could happen?

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