Can't Store Parameters other than Effect in New Effect Palette

[PsychoTea]

Hi,

In the latest v7.9.6 update, when creating an effect, any tagged parameters are not correctly stored into the effect palette when recording the effect.

 

To reproduce:

- Select any fixtures, and create an effect in the waveform tab

- Set the value of another parameter in the programmer, such as Colour, or Intensity

- Press record

- Select  the attribute(s) you wish to store in the effect palette; any tagged attributes will already be selected (note how Intensity and Colour are selected here): )

- Store to any palette, but note how only the effect is saved ('E'), and not any of the other attributes (typically signified by 'I', 'C', etc):

 

 

The expected behaviour would be that the tagged intensity and colour attributes are saved into the effect palette. 

 

[PsychoTea]

I also have a fairly large show on Friday so if this could be fixed by then (or I could get access to the beta versions?) that would be highly appreciated. 

[kgallen]

Don’t get me started on this one, it annoys the heck out of me. I’ve had the same this weekend but on 7.9.5. You will either have to:

- use Snapshot (top left button on that screen) but that will record IBCPE

- record to a playback instead

This is an ‘issue’ on 7.9.5 (and probably earlier too) as Zero88 don’t see it as a bug for some unknown reason - apparently it’s ‘expected behaviour’. Search me. 
 

My gripe is here:
 

Edward's ‘workaround’ here:

 

[Edward Z88]

Hello,

To include other attributes into a palette, tap RECORD EFFECT, and then in the Record Options ensure SmartTag is disabled, and then double tap Intensity and Colour so they go green. Then type the effect palette number you wish to store to, followed by pressing ENTER. If you tap directly into the Effect window/MFKs, only the effect parameters will be stored, as this is that palette type’s filter.

As Kevin says, to store everything into a palette, you can press SHIFT + RECORD and tap an empty palette. 

Hope this helps,

Edward

[PsychoTea]

9 hours ago, Edward- Z88 said:

Hello,

To include other attributes into a palette, tap RECORD EFFECT, and then in the Record Options ensure SmartTag is disabled, and then double tap Intensity and Colour so they go green. Then type the effect palette number you wish to store to, followed by pressing ENTER. If you tap directly into the Effect window/MFKs, only the effect parameters will be stored, as this is that palette type’s filter.

As Kevin says, to store everything into a palette, you can press SHIFT + RECORD and tap an empty palette. 

Hope this helps,

Edward

I do the following:

- load the effect into the programmer

- set the intensity to 50

- press record*

- set "Intensity" and "Effect" to green

- Type "48" (for example) and hit enter

 

The effect is again stored in an effect palette, but the tagged attributes still aren't stored. The only time any other attributes are stored is via the snapshot function, and this will store them when using the effects palette window as opposed to command line syntax. This seems like really inconsistent behaviour (snapshot + click will save attributes but record + click will not) and I'm near certain this is a bug and should be treated as so. I'm happy to upload a short video to demonstrate the issue if that would be useful. 

Edit*: If I press RECORD and then the EFFECT key and type the number it then does store correctly -- however it would still be incredibly useful to just be able to click a palette -- I'm sure this used to work and that would be far simpler than this weird workaround. 

Edited December 16, 2019 by PsychoTea

[Edward Z88]

Hello,

12 minutes ago, PsychoTea said:

I do the following:

- load the effect into the programmer

- set the intensity to 50

- press record

- set "Intensity" and "Effect" to green

- Type "48" (for example) and hit enter

After your “press RECORD” step, you didn’t say you tapped the EFFECT button on the console. You should see RECORD EFFECT written in the command line. You can then choose your custom filters by giving attributes green stripes. If you give Intensity and Colour green stripes, and then store the palette, it will be stored as an ICE palette, not just E. If this isn’t working for you feel free to email us a video to support@zero88.com and we’ll take a look.

Edward

[PsychoTea]

2 minutes ago, Edward- Z88 said:

Hello,

After your “press RECORD” step, you didn’t say you tapped the EFFECT button on the console. You should see RECORD EFFECT written in the command line. You can then choose your custom filters by giving attributes green stripes. If you give Intensity and Colour green stripes, and then store the palette, it will be stored as an ICE palette, not just E. If this isn’t working for you feel free to email us a video to support@zero88.com and we’ll take a look.

Edward

Hi Edward, I edited my reply -- that was indeed the problem. However it is still incredibly frustrating that you have to save the palette via the command line, I don't quite understand why you can't simply tap on the palette or use an MFK to store the attributes. I am near certain this used to be possible on older versions of ZerOS. Thanks 

[Edward Z88]

Hello,

You should find you can tap RECORD EFFECT, apply green filters, and then tap an empty palette, and the filters will still be used. You just have to define the palette type before applying filters.

The Record Options window is definitely an area we want to revise, and this process can also be revised.

Hope this helps,

Edward

[PsychoTea]

4 minutes ago, Edward- Z88 said:

You should find you can tap RECORD EFFECT, apply green filters, and then tap an empty palette, and the filters will still be used. You just have to define the palette type before applying filters.

This is exactly the behaviour I am not experiencing, as it seems the green filters are completely ignored when recording a palette. I will upload a video shortly to demonstrate the issue. 

 

Would it also be possible for me to gain access to any public/private beta (if you have one)? Do you have any sort of roadmap for future features? I'd love to be able to flesh out this platform some more!

[PsychoTea]

4 minutes ago, PsychoTea said:

This is exactly the behaviour I am not experiencing, as it seems the green filters are completely ignored when recording a palette. I will upload a video shortly to demonstrate the issue. 

 

Would it also be possible for me to gain access to any public/private beta (if you have one)? Do you have any sort of roadmap for future features? I'd love to be able to flesh out this platform some more!

Correction: I misread your reply and didn't realise you have to press RECORD and then EFFECT before selecting the effect palette. However, would it be possible to revise this functionality so pressing the EFFECT key is not required? It seems like an unnecessary step when you can select the effect palette directly via the window. 

[Edward Z88]

Hello,

3 minutes ago, PsychoTea said:

However, would it be possible to revise this functionality so pressing the EFFECT key is not required?

Yes we will look to revise this with the Record Options. Currently the logic is RECORD and tap a palette records just that attribute, without the need to define the attribute filters. RECORD -> attribute button and then filters tells the console what attribute you want to store this in, with your chosen filters.

4 minutes ago, PsychoTea said:

Would it also be possible for me to gain access to any public/private beta (if you have one)? Do you have any sort of roadmap for future features? I'd love to be able to flesh out this platform some more!

If you would like to have access to the beta forum, please send us an email requesting this to support@zero88.com, and we’ll add you to the group.

If you have any questions let me know. 

Edward