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Moving head issues (Newbie)

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Hello

I'm using a moving head in one cue. In the next cue the Intensity drops to zero but the light keeps moving. If I try and edit the moving head by selecting No Effect it stops moving, until I update the cue. As soon as I press the MFF button (i.e. Update > MFF Button on the correct cue) it starts moving again! What am I doing wrong?

Additionally, how do I get my moving heads to fade on and off like my static lights? Most of the time they cut on and off, but sometimes they fade. Again what am I doing wrong?

Many thanks

Benjamin

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First one is Smart Tag. You’re doing the right thing by selecting No Effect in the next cue but it’s not being recorded because it has zero intensity so Smart Tag ignores it (yes very annoying). I think if you make the No Effect change then press Update and hold briefly you will get up the options box then tap Smart Tag so it goes blue. You should see some parameter boxes have red stripes and Tagged Fixtures is red. If you ok the Update then you should have recorded the change.

Not sure about your second question - mine fade as other fixtures. Worth checking your fader is an intensity channel - if it’s a traditional mover rather than an LED maybe the shutter is snapping closed due to a beamshape setting?

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Hi Edward,

I remember you helping me with this when we first got our FLX desk - it looks like this is a common frustration.  I wonder if a later release might have a default/switchable option to home and reset the head on fading to zero?  Or at least get Smart Tag to accept a zero intensity recording for moving heads, in a future release?

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Hello,

Very true - in some circumstances SmartTag is very powerful, however it does have drawbacks such as this.

SmartTag is something we would like to revise - which is also related to choosing which playbacks could get recorded into cues.

No date on this yet, as this would take a lot of time implement, and would require very extensive testing!

All the best,

Edward

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On 7/13/2019 at 5:42 PM, kgallen said:

it’s not being recorded because it has zero intensity so Smart Tag ignores it (yes very annoying).

Just wondering - how "zero" does intensity have to be before SmartTag ignores it?  I wonde rif it was at, say 1-2%, the lamp is unlikely to be visible, but SmartTag would then record an intensity, and so capture the fixture?  And, if so, can the profile be edited such that the minimum value on the Intensity channel could be changed from 0 to a DMX value of 001 or 002?

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Hello,

SmartTag will register a fixture as "off" when at 0%. Therefore if a fixture is at 1% SmartTag will include it.

If this is causing you problems, you can simply hold RECORD, tap SmartTag so that it has a blue stripe meaning disabled, and then press RECORD to close the window. Now all tagged fixtures will be recorded, including those at 0%.

For more information on tagging including SmartTag, see below...

http://support.zero88.com/1014189311

Fixtures can't be created with a minimum parameter level.

Hope this helps,

Edward

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4 minutes ago, Edward- Z88 said:

Therefore if a fixture is at 1% SmartTag will include it.

I'm sure it's extremely bad practice and unnecessary if (a) I could use the desk properly (b) the desk was an incy-wincy bit better at handling this, but yes I do this too just to make sure the fixture is recorded.

A common case is to ensure an Effect is removed from a fixture, by ensuring the "No Effect" is recorded into the cue - otherwise your heads keep moving about running the effect even though they are now dark. Given that some LEDs will light at 1% (which will be a DMX value of 2 or 3 typically) this doesn't always give you a "dark" fixture, so it depends on the fixture if you can get away with this fudge.

I guess the proper way is to manually tag the fixtures for No Effect in the cue where the fixture is DBO (because SmartTag won't do it for you), but that is such a faff as you've already recorded the bulk of your cue with SmartTag then you have to go in again to deal with the fixtures with Effect to tag them and Update the cue.

If there is more usable way then Edward or Jon will tell us in the next post... 😁

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Hi Kevin,

A quicker way around this would be to go into the cue where you want the movers to stop the effect, select the fixtures, EFFECT + HOME -> SHIFT + RECORD -> type the cue number -> Playback Button -> Merge.

Doing this will also turn it into a block cue.

Edward

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2 hours ago, Edward- Z88 said:

EFFECT + HOME

Thanks Edward - is this the same a No Effect or would it HOME the fixtures C/B/P too (which is probably undesirable). Also creating the block cue would disrupt move-on-dark for other fixtures. If this understanding is right and hence there are implications, how else could this be achieved?

Thanks,

Kevin

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Hi Kevin,

2 minutes ago, kgallen said:

is this the same a No Effect or would it HOME the fixtures C/B/P too (which is probably undesirable).

EFFECT + HOME is the same as the No Effect palette - it simply stops any effects running (the syntax EFFECT 0 ENTER also does the same). In the same way COLOUR + HOME will just home the colour of the selected fixture.

30 minutes ago, kgallen said:

Also creating the block cue would disrupt move-on-dark for other fixtures. If this understanding is right and hence there are implications, how else could this be achieved?

It would only give hard values for that cue, therefore only fixtures that needed to Move On Dark for the next cue wouldn't be prepped. When you go into the cue after the block, fixtures could then move on dark for when they're next used.

Edward

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Thanks for the clarification and tips Edward (as always!). Apologies to the OP for the slight thread steal but hopefully the information is relevant and useful!

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