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I'm still confused by how I record an Effect that has the ICBPE components I want and not the ones I don't. In this example I don't want Position recording. I just have my movers pointing where I can see the Effect I'm trying to create, not where they will be if/when I use this Effect palette.

OK so I'm trying to get myself a decent Fire effect. I'm using 7.9.5.

I point the movers where I can see the result. The Position is not required as part of the Effects palette - I want the colour, the beamshape and the effect attributes. The intensity too if I must.

For the purposes of creating effect I put the fixtures to intensity full. I trigger the 7.9.5 Fire effect. I get the flickering and adjust up the speed to where I want it. But the effect is washed out (the fixtures started from Home).

So I go to colour and take out all the blue and half of the green, which leaves me at Red=255, Green=80, Blue=0 (and other colours White, Amber=0).

I go to Beamshape and get that as required.

It now looks (C/B/E) how I want it. So I want to dump this to an Effects palette so I can recall it. From previous advice I know I need to do a Record All because I want to trap multiple attributes (ICBE).

So Shift+Record to get up the Record Options dialogue box.

By default Snapshot is enabled (red bar), so I can't adjust much else. For now I'll say if I use these default options, I can save the Effects palette and it's labelled as ICBPE and if I clean up then trigger it I get what I want but including the mover position, which I don't want to record to the palette - but at least I know it "works". So I know I need to customise the Record All to avoid recording the P.

Let's do it again. I get the Effect back how I want it.

So on the Record All dialogue, I turn off Snapshot (neither Snapshot or Smart Tag are lit red). This means that I can toggle the other buttons.

So I set Intensity, Colour, Beamshape and Effect to red (on) and Position to blue (off). I tap the palette. It's labelled as "E". So it hasn't recorded the I, C or B elements.

If I clean up and recall the palette: it's junk. The only parts I get from it are the flicker and the speed (so the "E" part). The colour is the Home default - white. The beamshape settings are not as I set them, they are also Home defaults. I'm not surprised - the palette is labelled as "E" when I need it to contain "ICBE".

I've tried lots of other combinations on the Record Options form, trying smart tag, having some buttons with the green bar (what's that?). Trying Selected Fixtures and Tagged Fixtures.

So how? Why is this (still) so hard/confusing? What am I not doing correctly?

Thanks, Kevin

The attached Record Option dialogue shows what I want to record: selected fixtures, I/C/B/E. Not P. But it doesn't. Second picture shows two Effects palettes. The "Pyre" one, recorded with these settings says "E" - not ICBE. The "Pyre all" is from Snapshot settings and says ICBPE. These attribute labels do reflect what's in there.

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Poke... LX plot this week, so would appreciate knowing if I'm doing something wrong or if there's a potential bug and I need to go about this a different way. Thanks.

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Ar*e. Thanks Simon...

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On 6/4/2019 at 9:41 AM, kgallen said:

Poke... LX plot this week, so would appreciate knowing if I'm doing something wrong or if there's a potential bug and I need to go about this a different way. Thanks.

Yes what you are doing should work, but if it doesn't try this.

if you select all the fixtures, go into positions and tap on the blue highlighted tilt and pan boxes, the box will no longer be highlighted and tagged.  Now when you select record and tagged parameters, the position will not record unless you select the position.

Hope that's helped.

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Cheers Peachy good call I’ll give that a go 👍

Kevin

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Hi Edward. No I haven't. The FLX is at the venue now. It is Tech tomorrow I'll aim to give it a go. But what's your view on my initial observation? Thanks Kevin

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Hi Kevin,

I’ll take a look at this in further detail. As you say, if you have position parameters tagged, I would expect manually choosing to not record position in the Record Options window (Position with a blue stripe), would result in an ICBE effect palette, not ICBPE. With other palettes, only that specific attribute will be stored, unless SHIFT + RECORD is used to store all parameters into the palette.

For more information on tagging, such as the different colour attribute stripes, see below...

http://support.zero88.com/1014189311/What-is-Tagging.htm

All the best,

Edward

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Hi both,

On 6/6/2019 at 10:47 PM, Peachy001 said:

if you select all the fixtures, go into positions and tap on the blue highlighted tilt and pan boxes, the box will no longer be highlighted and tagged.  Now when you select record and tagged parameters, the position will not record unless you select the position.

 

On 6/8/2019 at 3:38 PM, Edward- Z88 said:

Has Peachy's suggestion worked for you?

I tried this on PhantomZOS, and no it didn't help. I tried a couple of ways: using CLEAR+POS (then save the palette), tapping Pan, Tilt, P/T Spd etc to unhighlight them (then save the palette). Both times recorded an Effect and it's type E (not ICBE). Also tried just holding RECORD (rather than SHIFT+RECORD), which comes up with I,C,B,E buttons red and P button blue -> looks promising -> but the palette saved is still just E. So do the above again to untag the Pos attribute and try SHIFT+RECORD again, to get the "snapshot" settings in the Record Options box, then go around again to make I,C,B,E red and P blue -> saved palette is still just E.

Looks broken to me unless you can tell me what I'm doing wrong... I was just reading that Tagging article that Edward pointed me at and it looks to me that I'm doing what it says there.

Thanks,

Kevin

I've attached my show file.

Under Effects there is a [46] Pyre (E) and [47] Pyre all (ICBPE). I wanted to get a "Pyre (ICBE)" effect that I could apply to any of the LEDs (fixtures 37-38,50-67) I choose at the time. Those Pyre effects were programmed using Group "All LEDs" and with the movers (fixtures 54-57) pointing where I could see them to set up the CBE element of what I want (based on the new Fire effect). I don't want the P stored as the movers would be elsewhere when I actually apply it.

I've had the same issue with the [51] Sea (E) and [52] Sea all (ICBPE) palettes - I want "Sea (ICBE)".

Anyway the show is programmed now, but I need to understand how to do what I want, or get you to fix the software. Probably this is not a problem limited to "Position"? May be that if I wanted a "CPE" palette (no "B") I wouldn't be able to get one???

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I'm through this show, but I have another production in a few weeks. Are we anywhere with triaging this report viz a fix?

Thanks!

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