robhurt Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 Hello I am having a problem with intensity on submasters. On submaster 1-1 I have all generic fixtures, when I pull the fader down the intensity drops relative to the position of the fader. On sub 1-2 I have some LED pars but when i pull the fader down the intensity does not drop, they remain at 100%! What am i doing wrong? Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iank99 Posted September 24, 2015 Report Share Posted September 24, 2015 I think this is to do with the fact it's a Fat Frog (but if I fudge long enough - Jon will come along and set me straight) and the way that intensities and attributes are controlled. If the LED's are defined as fixtures on your desk and they have a 'master dimmer' channel as part of the hardware in the LED then the software in the Frog will dim them as it would a dimmer. If the LED's are being used simply as a 3 channel dimmer with RGB then the Frog has no intensity to dim (as far as it's concerned - you have 3 somethings attached but they're not dimmers, so when you do things that you do with a dimmer - it leaves them alone). There is the capability in the Fixture Editor to create virtual dimmer channels so that when using simple 3 channel fixtures - the desk can be fooled in to believing there is a master dimmer involved. However (and this is the part that's testing me) I don't believe that Virtual dimmers work on Fat Frogs (or Illusions) but only on Leap Frogs and newer. I would look at the manual for your LED's and see if there's a mode of operation that can be used that has a Master Dimmer (or sometimes simply called 'dimmer') channel and then see if there's a fixture in the library for that mode (or ask Keith/Jon to build one for you). Quote Ian Knight aka The Service Guy - www.serviceguy.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Hole Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 However (and this is the part that's testing me) I don't believe that Virtual dimmers work on Fat Frogs (or Illusions) but only on Leap Frogs and newer. That's correct Ian :-) I would look at the manual for your LED's and see if there's a mode of operation that can be used that has a Master Dimmer (or sometimes simply called 'dimmer') channel and then see if there's a fixture in the library for that mode (or ask Keith/Jon to build one for you). Definitely - hopefully there will be a four channel mode (or mode) that includes a dimmer channel. Let us know if there is (along with the make and model, or even better a user manual) and we'll get it created for you if it's not already in the library. Quote Jon Hole Global Product Manager, Systems and Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgallen Posted September 25, 2015 Report Share Posted September 25, 2015 Fat Frog certainly does support a virtual intensity channel if you've built the fixture definition with it. Make sure you've got software 10.12 on the desk. See the release notes: Jan 2018: update linky: http://support.zero88.com/Legacy-products/Legacy-Consoles/Frog-Series/975242041/Frog-Series-Overview-Software.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iank99 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Well - you live & learn Quote Ian Knight aka The Service Guy - www.serviceguy.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Hole Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 Serves me right for trying to answer questions on consoles before my time at Zero! Apologies, looks like kgallen is correct - virtual intensities were added in 10.10 Quote Jon Hole Global Product Manager, Systems and Control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgallen Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 ... must admit I've never tried virtual intensities as all of my LEDs have master dimmer channels. But if the latest release note says it's there (and related bugs have been fixed), it looks good to go! Ian - guessing this feature didn't make it into the Illusion 500 software then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iank99 Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 I've never needed to bother - the few LED's that I've used with my Illusions all had dimmer channels too Quote Ian Knight aka The Service Guy - www.serviceguy.co.uk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgallen Posted September 28, 2015 Report Share Posted September 28, 2015 To the OP: Rob, Does Ian's (excellent) explanation help/make sense? (Excellent piece of deduction there Ian if I may say). Do you need help rebuilding your fixture profile to add a virtual intensity channel? In the first instance I'm sure Jon would help out if you can provide a pdf link to the manual for the fixture. If not, then there are a few of us on here who can put one together for you, or you could download the Fixture Editor from the Zero88 site (here: http://zero88.com/support/index.php?/Knowledgebase/Article/View/49/256/zero-88-fixture-tools---version-26) and build one yourself, it's quite straightforward. Actually if your fixtures are pretty basic R, G and B LED pars, then there is almost certainly a RGB+virtual intensity in the Zero88 fixture library already. Regards, Kevin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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