Question about Auto-Triggering Playbacks

[LLuk]

Hällöü Everybody

 

i recorded a Cuelist on Master Playback.

Several times i would like that the Lights Fade-in in a different Fade-time.

Lets say Channel 1 thru 6 Fades-in in 10sec.(recorded on Masterplayback) and Channel 7 and 8 Fades-in in 3sec. (recorded on PB1).

Now i changed the Cue-Settings in Masterplayback to also trigger PB1.

When i trigger my Cue on Masterplayback it triggers (like expected) also PB1, but ignores the Fade-Times on PB1. So all Channels Fades-in in 10sec.

 

So i played around a little and i get following;

It only works when the Cue(MPB) who triggers PB1 have a faster Fade-In then the PB1 who get triggered automatic.

With a slower Fade-In on MPB then the PB1 have, it ignores the Fade-time on PB1

 

Why? Does someone has a clue about this?

Sorry my english, i hope its understandable.

denks and good evening

Luk

[kgallen]

Hi.

You will probably need to be in tracking mode and be very careful you only record the fixture changes you want in each fade to avoid ‘cross-pollution’.

You should be able to do this by recording two cues and setting the second with trigger ‘auto-with’.

Say you have cue 5 already recorded. Play cue 5.

Set lights for cue 6 with say 10s fades. Record as cue 6.

Clear-clear and play back cue 5 again.

Set lights for cue 6.5 with say 5s fades. Record as cue 6.5. Set the trigger as ‘auto-with 6’.

When you record cue 7 you will need to account for the lighting state that results after both cue 6 and cue 6.5 have run.

I hope that works!

[Davidmk]

@kgallen Looks good to me but don't forget auto-with can have a delay time as well (see manual here) which let's you start one cue off with, say 10s fade, and another lot 5s later with a 5s fade and have them all finish together. (Posted for completeness, not necessarily for @LLuk's specific needs.)

[LLuk]

Hey denks @kgallen and @Davidmk for the responds. I will try on phantom later.

In my situation i would like to do it in different Playbacks. Cause the Production is allready in Play, and i am to scared

to programm it i my MasterPlayback cause there is also some move on dark action with some scrollers in the cues i would like

to change. i don't trust so much Move on Dark with my scrollers, or maybe i dont trust my programming skills with Move on Dark and my scrollers.

its all the time struggles until they scroll when i wanted them to scroll. (its probably my programming way)

i dont wanna mess this up again.

Anyway thanks and i will give a try.

 

Luk

[LLuk]

Hey @kgallen

 

i tried it with your describtion...it works fine and easy to do.

But what when its over different Playbacks?

For our Production i will trigger the other Playback with the faster Fade-In Cue manually. This works fine too and does not

affect my Move-on-Dark-Worries on MasterPlayback.

Denks...Luk

[Davidmk]

@LLuk When you trigger a PB from a cue it uses the cues timings not the PB's so you still need the extra cues to get the different times. The don't have to have any fixture information just the timings and the trigger.

See manual here and here.

@kgallen for courtesy

[LLuk]

denks @kgallen and @Davidmk for taking the time to answer.

Just to complete if anyone is interessted;

to get different fade in times for different lamps i did following (with the exemple my post above):

Programming channels 1 thru 6 with fade time 10sec on MasterPlayback.

Programming an empty cue on PB1 and a second cue with channel 7 and 8 with fade-time 3sec.

with the cue on MasterPlayback it auto-trigger a macro (recoded as -go PB1-)

befor i trigger the cue on MasterPlayback, raised the Fader on PB1 manually so the empty cue is active.
(did this even befor the show started, so i didn't had to worried about anymore)

easy.

good evening