rickw Posted March 6 Report Share Posted March 6 Hi I'm an enthusiastic amateur that programmes school productions on a Solution desk. I'm basically self taught and fairly proficient but there's one thing I can't work out which I suspect should be possible. So at the moment, recording something to a submaster works the same as recording a memory cue. It records the entire lighting state for all fixtures. There must surely be a way to record only particular fixtures? So essentially bringing up a submaster will trigger only the chase or change in the ones you want, which layer on top of whatever is already set on stage via a cue. For example, a disco type chase which can be added to any scene. Or a pair of spotlights that are needed frequently. As it stands, if I save something as a submaster I need to build it on top of whatever scene I'm using it in. In the show we're doing we need some stuff to flash at different points. It would be great to have a single flash that I can keep using rather than one for each background scene I'm using it in. Hope that makes sense. Can anyone offer some tips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 Hi, it depends of how you're working with the desk and which kind of fixtures you're using : 1 you're using multiple playbacks in a bank o several banks a : you're using traditionnals fixtures then no problem to have a playback that overrides an other b : you're using multiple dmx fixtures (moving heads, rgbwa leds...) (then take a look at my topic "chase question 2") 2 you're using the master playback as a master "go" for the whole show same thing than in the 1a and 1b but using a playback apart from the master playback Hope this helps, but i may have not well understood your request cause i'm french and i'm losing my english regards, Thierry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickw Posted March 7 Author Report Share Posted March 7 Hi Thierry So I think it's 1b We have a show programmed using Memories, advanced with GO. We have a number of RGB fixtures and 4 moving heads. It's a musical, so things like Chases, Effects, Strobes are much easier to programme on a Submaster fader (is this what seems to be called 'playbacks'?). So lets say in a song: I have various front spots and washes for the scene. Lets say PARs 1, 2 and 3 are warm white. When the song kicks in, I want the moving heads to be a certain colour, beamshape and a set of colours. Lets say Movers 1, 2, 3 go to gobo 2, move up and down, in red. I find the best way to do that is to programme it as a chase onto a submaster and bring it in at the right point. But I want this to be additional to the scene. In other words, bringing in the submaster only changes Movers 1, 2, 3 without affecting PARs 1, 2, 3. At the moment, when I programme the submaster, it records both Movers and PARs even if I don't touch the PAR attributes. What this means is if I'm in a different scene where the PARs are now green. Bringing in the same submaster will not only trigger the cycle I want, but also switch the PARs to white. So I have to now have two submasters, one for each scene, even though the Movers chase effect is the same. Hope that makes sense! EDIT - from your previous thread is looks like the answer is "no, you can't really do that easily". Though it's not quite the same issue. Because I don't want one sub to be colour and another chase. It's more "include these fixtures in this chase with colour, beamshape, position etc, but don't change anything to do with other fixtures". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgallen Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 What you want should be easy. But you will need to be in Tracking mode. If you use Snapshot then you won’t achieve what you want. Tracking mode plus SmartTag on should automatically just record the fixtures you want to change and leave everything else alone. It should just work. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickw Posted March 7 Author Report Share Posted March 7 Ah ok. Can you point me towards some info on those settings? Do they need to be set before you programme the show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thierry Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, rickw said: What this means is if I'm in a different scene where the PARs are now green. Bringing in the same submaster will not only trigger the cycle I want, but also switch the PARs to white If the show is long with a lot cues, and then it's too complicated for you to remember "what to record at this time" or to record again scenes just for an additional effect, why don't you record the basic scenes of your show as usual with the master playback (and then go, go, go, go ... until the end) and use other playbacks (submasters)"live" for the effect you want to add often in the show ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgallen Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 36 minutes ago, rickw said: Ah ok. Can you point me towards some info on those settings? Do they need to be set before you programme the show? Yes. If you start recording your cue stack with snapshots then these cues will just take control of everything, stopping you overlaying your effects just on certain fixtures. There is an Unblock feature so probably if you have cues recorded, you can Unblock the whole cue stack to allow you to do the overlaying you want. Hopefully Edward will clarify for Solution. You should take a look at some of these training videos on Record and Tagging. Ok they use FLX but you will have the same features on Solution but they keys will be different. I’m assuming you’re on pretty recent ZerOS version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Z88 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 Hi @rickw 15 hours ago, rickw said: As it stands, if I save something as a submaster I need to build it on top of whatever scene I'm using it in. In the show we're doing we need some stuff to flash at different points. It would be great to have a single flash that I can keep using rather than one for each background scene I'm using it in. As others have mentioned, this is how the console will work by default. It therefore sounds like the default behaviour of the console may have been changed. Firstly, please go to Setup > Settings > Record & Update. Make sure that your "Tracking Options" are set to "Enabled". If the console is in "Cue Only" mode, this basically means the console is in beginner mode. This is ideal for simplistic cue stacks, but will cause problems if you want to do more controlled mixing between playbacks or more complex programming. When the console has Tracking Options enabled, exit Setup, and then tap the RECORD key. This will open the Record Options on the external monitor. In here, by default the "SmartTag" and "Cue Only" buttons should have red stripes. If they're currently blue, tap them. You can then tap RECORD again to save and close. You can now record your playbacks onto the submaster faders. The console will then only record the values that are required to achieve the lighting state that is currently outputting. No other information will be included, which should mean the playback on the submaster fader can be mixed with cues on the Master Playback. I hope this helps. Please let us know if you have any questions. 2 Quote Edward Smith Product Specialist Email Support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickw Posted March 7 Author Report Share Posted March 7 3 hours ago, thierry said: If the show is long with a lot cues, and then it's too complicated for you to remember "what to record at this time" or to record again scenes just for an additional effect, why don't you record the basic scenes of your show as usual with the master playback (and then go, go, go, go ... until the end) and use other playbacks (submasters)"live" for the effect you want to add often in the show ? Yes, this is exactly what I was trying to do. 2 hours ago, Edward Z88 said: Hi @rickw As others have mentioned, this is how the console will work by default. It therefore sounds like the default behaviour of the console may have been changed. Firstly, please go to Setup > Settings > Record & Update. Make sure that your "Tracking Options" are set to "Enabled". If the console is in "Cue Only" mode, this basically means the console is in beginner mode. This is ideal for simplistic cue stacks, but will cause problems if you want to do more controlled mixing between playbacks or more complex programming. When the console has Tracking Options enabled, exit Setup, and then tap the RECORD key. This will open the Record Options on the external monitor. In here, by default the "SmartTag" and "Cue Only" buttons should have red stripes. If they're currently blue, tap them. You can then tap RECORD again to save and close. You can now record your playbacks onto the submaster faders. The console will then only record the values that are required to achieve the lighting state that is currently outputting. No other information will be included, which should mean the playback on the submaster fader can be mixed with cues on the Master Playback. I hope this helps. Please let us know if you have any questions. Thank you, this helps (though I think for the next show now - I've just recorded about 120 cues and 30 playbacks!) Does this put it into Tracking Mode? Just so I know exactly what's going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edward Z88 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 1 hour ago, rickw said: Does this put it into Tracking Mode? Just so I know exactly what's going on. When the console is in its normal mode (when Cue Only is NOT selected in Setup > Settings > Record & Update), it means you have control of our Tracking behaviour from the Record Options. The Record Options window should appear on the external monitor upon tapping RECORD. In the Record Options, make sure that "Cue Only" has a red stripe, meaning enabled. With Cue Only enabled, this will mean when you Record/Update cues, subsequent cues will still look exactly how you programmed them. @kgallen shared this video, which explains this in detail... Hope this helps. 1 Quote Edward Smith Product Specialist Email Support Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickw Posted March 7 Author Report Share Posted March 7 Awesome, thanks for all your help everyone! 😀 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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