WOW! I'm overwelmed by the responce! I can see that obviously the support network for this is first class. At the moment we only have the basics - par 64/56's, frez, profiles etc but we are hoping to expand into some basic intellegent lights and with a bit of luck and persuasion the department want to run a technical theatre course. So for the moment we need something that will do the bog standard in plays, variety and dance shows but in the long run we need soimething than can do more than just turn a lamp on! We have a strand GLX and it really is on its last legs - keeps crashing (usually midf performance) need to be booted up 3 or 4 times at a minimum before it will work, none of the fx will work - it wont assign them to the toggles and really is just very annoying! However saying that our board was bought in 1996 and when I used when I myself wass a student it worked fine. Well thanks a lot and when we get our frog Im sure Ill be chatting to you all again! :wink: