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It’s possibly the replay tag off. Once you hit PROGRAM all the tagging is cleared (this is noted in one of the release note entries I seem to recall) and because replay tag is off when you play back the state no tags are set. This means only changes you make get tagged. When you were programming states did you get any pop up message saying nothing to record? Their term playback stack will refer to the cues programmed under the GO button and possibly also any chase in a memory or transferred to a sub master. Maybe try programming your chase with replay tagging on. Regards your question with mem1 and mem2, yes the yellow would be ‘tracked’ from mem1 because it isn’t recorded (tagged) in mem2. (You do say tracking is "off" but I can't remember what this means in partial mode - because for any state where some parameter is not recorded, the desk needs to have "something" to output on the DMX stream and practically this would be Home or the last value programmed - I'd have to re-read the Release Notes to remember the difference!)

Hi Leon, This doesn't ring any bells with me - I know there was an issue a bit like this in 10.10 (maybe 10.9) but that was fixed in 10.12. Are you in Full mode, rather than one of the Partial modes? With having a read of the Release Notes for the desk, there is quite a bit of detail in here for the changes from 9.2 through 10.12 (you don't say what version you upgraded from). https://eaton.nanorep.co/storage/nr1/kb/2AD62C9/3879A76B/3A210339/32/FrogOS Release Notes v10.12.pdf Good idea to change the battery - always a good start! Kevin

Hi Nigel, Glad you're up and running! Good move! Don't rely on the "Battery OK" indication on the screen - if you ever see the time go funny, get the battery changed quick. Now you know how easy it is, probably worth changing every 2-3 years. Yes, all of the attribute buttons (Colour, Beamshape, Position) will page through the available options if there are more than 3. You can define the wheel assignments how you like in the Windoze Fixture Editor - use the "3 Wheel" tab for the Fat Frog. If you load in your fixture you will see on that tab multiple lines under the colour attribute, so hence multiple presses of the Colour button on the desk to cycle around them. There are no fans in the Fat Frog - the only motor is that in the FDD. As Ian says, those LEDJ Performer fans are a bit noisy - I have some of the Quad version (I've had them a few years) - they are very bright, but also a little on the noisy side! Good luck with your show - sounds like you have your hands full and it will be a little bit of a baptism of fire! But the FF will be up to it! Where are you located? (Worth adding to your profile in case you need "local" help). Any more queries, just open a new thread on this part of the forum and one of us will be along quickly to help out. I'm in get-in week, show week next week, so I'm a bit busy too in my own "village hall", but I'll try to get to you if you're stuck. Kevin

Hi Edward, With this Example and using an Effect, how can I get this to run once only (black->red->yellow) i.e a single sunrise? As you later suggest for better colour control, using a chase instead would allow this single run. Also if using a chase, I guess I need to do the "Fan-V" mechanism manually to stagger the builds. i.e. the chase would have something like 6 steps: 3=red -> 2+4=red -> 1+5=red -> 3=yellow -> 2+4=yellow -> 1+5=yellow... However I seem to recall an earlier thread from another user where you say that the chase can't track between steps. This would thus imply that 3=red would have to complete before I could start 2+4=red etc rather than them overlapping smoothly with their fade-ups overlapping so the colour looks like it "grows" out from the centre, rather than coming up in "columns". Maybe I need to do somthing like: 3=red[50]% -> 3=red[100%],2+4=red[50%] -> 2+4=red[100%],1+5=red[50%] -> 3=yellow[50%],1+5=red[100%] ...etc... Have I misunderstood here or if this is correct do you have any other suggestions? Thanks! Kevin

Hi Sai. Unless you're specifically interested in Zero88 dimmers, your question is probably better suited to a more generic theatre forum like www.blue-room.org.uk http://www.blue-room.org.uk/index.php?showforum=2 Kevin

Hi Nigel, You only really need virtual intensity support (as in FrogOS 10.12 [actually it came in 10.10, but use 10.12]) if the LED fixture doesn't have a DMX channel for "dimmer" - I'm sure both of your LEDJ LEDs will have, they look reasonably recent as they are pent and hex LED fixtures. However you suggest you want to run them in their 6 or 5 DMX channel mode which is where you would use virtual intensity. So your options are: - set your fixtures into one of their higher channel count modes and use their built in dimmer capability - use the "minimum" channel modes and upgrade to 10.12 and use virtual intensity. However you will need to confirm that the fixture definition has defined the virtual intensity channel for the min-channel option. If the Z88 chaps built the fixture definitions I'm sure they would have done, however it's worth checking in the Fixture Editor tool ( You say you've patched your fixtures into the FatFrog, which is the "hard" bit. To record into the memory stack just set them up the same way as you would one of your 48 generic channels, then press PROGRAM. Of course when using "complex" beast like LED fixtures you have some other considerations, like whether to use Full or Partial mode. For now, stick with Full which means the desk will record everything about every dimmer and fixture in each cue. You talk in your post about mapping to faders - you don't do this with the 12 non-conventional fixtures (those controlled from the right hand side of the desk). You will dial up the LED fixture brightness with a wheel after pressing the Brightness button. The latest manual is here: https://eaton.nanorep.co/storage/nr1/kb/2AD62C9/3879A76B/3ACE27E9/6/Frog Range Manual.pdf But realistically you'll also need to have a good read of the 10.12 Release Notes here: https://eaton.nanorep.co/storage/nr1/kb/2AD62C9/3879A76B/3A210339/32/FrogOS Release Notes v10.12.pdf And of course the 10.12 software for the desk here: https://eaton.nanorep.co/storage/nr1/kb/2AD62C9/3879A76B/3A210339/31/FrogOS v10.12.zip I hope that gets you started. Drop another query on the forum if needed (maybe start a new topic) and I'll help you out. Good luck! Kevin Some other threads that might help you out:

Sorry yes, "Special" not "Detail". OK so to reiterate: fixture swap-out can map parameters of the fixture type used at programming time to comparable parameters in a replacement swapped-in fixture for the same fixture number however, CBP palettes recorded on one (say RGB) fixture type can't be applied to a different (say RGB) fixture type this is where I've been going wrong, because I thought I could! Thanks!

Hi Edward, Thanks again, good explanation. I notice your use of "same fixture type" (where type => same manufacturer/model) so it seems the "remapping/morphing" doesn't work as I had thought - my understanding was the Detail entries in the Fixture Profile of e.g. "Red - Positive" was there to support this "morphing" to a different fixture type, but your explanation suggests not 😞 But that's clear, thanks! Kevin

If I create an effect palette based on one select set of LEDs can I apply that same effect palette to a different select set of LEDs of the same number with similar capabilities? (eg say I set up one of the effects we’ve been discussing on 5 cyc LEDs, record the palette, can I then apply that same effect palette to 5 backlight LEDs?) Is there anything particular I need to do to make this work? In general I understand a C/B/P palette can be ‘morphed’ to a different selection set and the desk will do a ‘best fit’ based on the information from the fixture definition. I’m not sure I’ve always have this work for me with a colour palette so maybe I’m mistaken. Can you elaborate a little for me? Much appreciated as ever!

Touche! 😆

Ah, ok so I should select 1 THRU 5 (or a GROUP thereof) not 3,2,4,1,5 [*]. Thanks for the clarification - that would have confused the bejesus out of me trying to get the Fan-V to work! Thanks for the description of the various "Rainbow" settings - that should go in the manual!!! 👍 [*] Yes I can see I'm being dim here, because 1 THRU 5 would of course be the natural way for "forward"!

I was looking at the Knowledgebase for articles and I notice the Orb and Orb XF are not mentioned any more - not in the "Consoles" list and neither the "Legacy Consoles" list. Have they gotten lost in a page reorg? I was looking for Orb/XF because there used to be more (ZerOS) articles listed there - maybe they've all been ported over to FLX now? - (in which case I'll just look at the list under FLX, which is what I want anyway!). Having written this I just wonder if there is real benefit maintaining different "current product" and "legacy product" threads in the Knowledgebase - just means folks have to hunt around more - I know I struggled to find AlphaPack2 when looking a few months back - ok I had problems with the search then too (I did raise a Forum post somewhere - oh, here: ).

Wow, Edward, that's brilliant - thanks for the detailed instructions - just what I need 😊. Makes me want to get 5 fixtures out and have a play at home... I suspected it would be an Effect with a Fan, I just wasn't quite sure of the details, and how it would differ between an "Intensity Effect" and a "Colour Effect". I'm intrigued by the "Blue Rainbow" - whenever I've played with these I've just gotten confused by them. What was the reason you picked that one - and I guess what does "Blue Rainbow" (Green Rainbow/Red Rainbow) actually mean? Just on the "select your fixtures" bit, I know order can be important. So how do I get the pairs (2+4) and (1+5) to behave identically, rather than getting discrete 3+2+4+1+5 behaviour - or actually thinking about this, I bet that is handled by the fan rather than the selection order? (Sorry, dim question probably!). Cheers, Kevin

New scenarios, probably with the Effects engine: Example 1: I have 5 fixtures across the cyc, 1-2-3-4-5. I want to create a intensity build from the centre outwards like an intensity fan (of a single colour). All fixtures start in black and build to a defined maximum intensity (could be FF). How would I do this? Example 2: Same setup, but now I want to do a colour fan, a bit like a sunrise, where the cyc builds from black to a red (using Example 1) and then a yellow builds from the centre outwards. How would I do this (similar to Example 1 except it's a colour fade effect rather than intensity?) Example 3: Same as Example 2 except I want the colour fade to start on one end and bleed to the other. Thanks! (At some point I'll take the plunge and buy Capture so I can work this stuff out without needing a whole rig of lights!... It's just it's 350 quid...)

Prices for these things seem to vary wildly. Make sure you get some proper quotes rather than looking at web prices! CTS seem quite competitive (my FLX came from here): https://shop.centraltheatresupplies.co.uk/zero-88-flx-s24512-lighting-console-5473-p.asp Which ever one you get I think you'll like it! Don't rule out the "full" FLX though...! https://shop.centraltheatresupplies.co.uk/zero88-flx-4285-p.asp (these are ex-VAT prices)

That's the "key" information I was after! Thanks! I think it will be perfect for the application (as long as my finger doesn't slip!).

Thanks Jon. I need this on a few occasions, so this is also a nice workable solution. The idea of the "Solo" state is quite interesting - it would allow me to set this up specifically so I know that the lighting state is "sensible" rather than risking where the "flashing" stuff is at the time of the freeze. Solo is something I've not used before. Any gotchas? I'll be using "Tracking Basic" - I assume I can layer the generics (which will deliver the face light) independently if I make sure they are untagged when recording the playbacks I set up for the flashing and freeze states (and vice-verse). Cheers!

Thanks Edward for the clarification and the effects suggestion, I'll heed your wise words (and then make a total pigs-ear of it, eek!). Cheers, Kevin

Hi Edward, Thanks very much for that comprehensive response - lots of good info there I can use. It will be manual, the show music will be on minidisc 😊 This sounds like a good idea - I like the idea of partitioning off the problem to avoid the master playback becoming over complex. So the separate playback can trigger other playbacks with chases on them. If the master playback releases the separate playback will this also release any child playbacks (chases) of the separate playback? That's brilliant info, thanks, I'll look into those. A new aspect of the desk for me! Followup (we've possibly discussed this before, I'll trawl the FLX "How Do I" 😜 subforum for previous ideas): Given I need some situations described by the director as "crazy disco town" (which I take as lots of random flashing coloured lights) would you recommend an effect or a chase for this (although with a chase I guess I'd need to manually define each and every state in that chase - there must be an easier way!). Thanks very much! Kevin

We're doing a concert and some of the lighting requirements are relatively demanding (for me!) regards syncing with music beats and many changes within a song. I know the FLX is up for it, I'm not sure if I am! Apologies if this becomes a sequence of "Noddy, How Do I" posts... Kit will generally be RGBAWUV LED pars, some will be movers (plus conventionals for general cover where needed). I'll be aiming to run a theatre-style cue stack as much as possible (I need to do sound too) but some aspects could be on other playbacks or buttons where I need to link in to particular music or dance moves. One part will require going from a flashing sequence or effect (colour, intensity) to steady colour briefly and then back to the flashing. I wondered what would be the best way to do this and especially the "steady" bit - can I set up a sequence or effect and for example press and hold a playback button (or UDK) to "freeze" the colours and release to let them get funky again? Thanks, Kevin

Pfffttt tell me about it, I work in a design team with 20 others.

Yes, I know what you mean! I have used them in the past to see if the poster of a new topic was still online to give a quick response if they are stuck/in a hurry, and then follow up with a longer answer. He's back! Yes a corporate network at the moment... has been a problem in the past, you're right! Thanks!

Is it time? Or is it too big now... I'd be happy to sort the posts for you... might find some "old" gems in there...

The Forum has lost the list of "Logged on users" and "Staff". How can I spy on you now, hey? Oh, that was the reason you removed them...😁 (ps Jon, your Genie graphic has disappeared. Has the cat eaten him?) (pps Where is my ice cream?)

Ha ha ha, that's excellent - the graphic and the new tab 👍 !