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It sounds like the fixture definition from the library the console has doesn’t match the firmware function of the light. This is a constant problem especially with non-brand fixtures (I’m not familiar with Sparkx7). Firstly: Is the mode set on the light the same as chosen on the console? If you can get the manual for the light you could check it against what the console thinks controls each parameter. If need be you could create a new fixture definition using the tool built into the fixture patch section of the desk using the info in the manual or manual+whatever deviations you found with the light.

Looks like we were talking about it here: So the numbers on the encoder wheel are the raw value but the output window and any syntax uses percentage. Ok, that’s me all confused now!

Well, wadaya know… ’percentages’ https://www.zero88.com/manuals/zeros/desktops-windows/output-window

Yea weird. I wonder if there is a desk setting for that. I know it’s a topic that comes up every now and again. Like you I would have expected the raw value for all parameters except intensity. I’ll have a dig through the ZerOS release notes.

OK give this a bash. On channel 3, I've added detail (which I made up). 0-4 is "Closed", 5 is "Default", 6-255 is "Open". Ch1 default (Dimmer [Intensity])=255, Ch2 (Wheel [Colour])default=0, Ch3 (Strobe [Beamshape])default=5 These are the "Details" for ch3: Let's see what comes up for the Strobe channel by default... Put this on a USB stick and just use "Load" to get it in the desk. Then you'll have to patch, Manufacturer="Charlie", Fixture="Followspot 3ch" Charlie_FS.ift

Give me 10 to finish dinner, then I’ll knock something up in FE 2.6 and Charlie can see if it reports the same.

Interesting. Intensity in % I understand. I thought other parameters would be their absolute value. Good call @Davidmk.

Can you upload your fixture file? Not sure if you made it in the console or the Windows Fixture Editor. If the console I think there is a way to export it but I don’t know the format! Either that or share the manual and I’ll knock one up in the FE for you to play with.

Hi @G-man Re: The two fixtures I created for @AlexP on the other thread work fine on Fat Frog 10.12. They were created with FE v2.6.0.0. I put them both onto a floppy disc and read them into Fat Frog and patched a couple of fixtures with them using their highest channel count modes. They work fine. I was able to patch them, select them and manipulate dimmer/colour/beamshape parameters. So if you are having issues with loading IFTs then it's not due to FE v2.6.0.0! As above if you tell me what fixture/mode and upload the PDF manual, I'll have a go at making you an IFT with FE v2.6.0.0 for you to try. Regards, Kevin

Hi. Here is a fixture profile for your Mac Mah 18X12W, 6ch (+vi), 8ch and 11ch modes with detail. MacMah_18X12W.ift

Hi. Here is a fixture profile for your AFX Light 1820IR, both 6ch (+virtual intensity) and 12ch modes with detail. AFXLight_1820IR.ift

(Deleted - see fixture profile attached below).

I made a Mac Mah 18X12W 8ch for you, attached. Put on a USB stick and just use Load. Then it will be in the list of available fixtures. If you load a new ZerOS it will go but you can load it again. If you use it, it will save in your showfile. It will show in red text as a "non library fixture". I put this together quickly so let me know any errors with it. I would follow the process on the following page and ask Zero88 folk to build a fixture for the next library release: https://www.zero88.com/manuals/zeros/patching/add-fixtures/missing-fixtures EDIT: See later post for all modes fixture profile.

Hi! I've got a Fat Frog (as well as FLX) and have used FE 2.6 successfully for years (FE 2.6 doesn't actually support the newer features of ZerOS, it's best application is for Illusion/Frog desks!). My FF does still have the floppy though (the USB mod is still in its packet in a drawer!) You seem to be aware of the difference between IFT and CFT so that's good! Do you want to upload the manual for the fixture and I'll have a bash for you? Latest Fat Frog OS is 10.12 [which I highly recommend] (here: https://www.vari-lite.com/global/products/frog-series#_english ) although I don't recall fixture format changing, at least in the later years (I got my FF in 2006). If you want to experiment with loading a new IFT, I just made a couple using FE2.6 for another chap. See this thread: If I get chance today (Sun/17/Nov) I'll put these on a floppy and see if I can patch them on my FF (on FrogOS 10.12). Note: You've posted in the "Frog2" forum, I'll ask the mods to move your post to the "Frog Range Mk1" forum.

In library release 4.5 (wlll install as part of 7.14) I find the following. The ADJ must be a match but the others might not be. You can search what is in the library from the list here: https://vari-lite.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/software-firmware/ZerOS-Library-4.5-List-of-Fixtures.csv , which is on this page: https://www.vari-lite.com/global/products/zeros-software For AFX 1820: AFX Light ParLED 1820Z Arc 1 AFX Light ParLED 1820Z Arc 1 d AFX Light ParLED 1820Z Arc 2 AFX Light ParLED 1820Z Arc 2 d AFX Light ParLED 1820Z Arc 2 S AFX Light ParLED 1820Z HSV AFX Light ParLED 1820Z Stag I think this is your ADJ light under "American DJ": American DJ Ikon Profile For your Mac Mah, do you mean this one? https://www.sonovente.com/mac-mah-flat-par-18x12w-6in1-p93418.html Looking on page 11 of the manual, you could quickly use the 8 channel mode with this fixture although the Amber and White would be the wrong way round: Generic LED - ISRGBAWUv If you load 7.14 onto your desk, then there is now a on-desk fixture designer. You could easily put together the 8-channel fixture for the Man Mah using that and the information on page 11. See here: https://www.zero88.com/manuals/zeros/patching/add-fixtures/fixture-creator

I’ll search in the library for you later to look for your fixtures. If you loaded a 7.9 showfile it will bring the fixture information with it. So it shouldn’t matter if they are in the library or not. When you say the spotlights are red do you mean they light up red or the text in the Fixture Patch is red? If the text is red this means ‘non library fixture’ and I would expect that if the definition came in from a showfile. That’s fine and I would expect the showfile to just work. It would be worth checking the DMX addresses for your lights and those used in the desk patch.

In theory, I found it in the ZerOS 7.4.0 Release Notes in the ZerOS 4.4 section. As the Frog2 is on 7.8.0 I will have to see if this setting still exists the next time I get access to it.

The library is cumulative. If it was there before it should be there now. In the new software in fixture patching I would try searching in the middle field as some brands come under a different manufacturer.

I thought I asked for some partial load/save stuff like this, but having had a brisk look through ye olde "What would you like to see..." thread I don't see it 🤔 ETA: I see now "Partial file load" on the original list and I did elaborate on my first post. Should'a gone to SS... No progress on that one that I know of.

You're one up on me then! Straight into the fire! Nothing to apologise for, thanks for answering!

Hi. Yes I made them in the Windows Fixture Editor 2.6 (as I have done for many years). The fixture profile works fine on an FLX and FLX S. SInce the Frog2 is quite old, in its main life most colour-capable fixtures would have been subtractive mixers with CMY colour wheels so Frog2 thinks it's 2004 has never heard of an RGB LED. But I'm sure ZerOS used to have a CMY/RGB setting, at least it did have on early FLX ZerOS! Thanks for replying!

Frog2 7.8.0 I’m helping out a local group who have just acquired a Frog2. Quite a shock after the ease of the FLX! I’ve patched some LED RGBW fixtures (my own fixture profile - I’m used to making them) but the colour fields are coming up as Cyan/Magenta/Yellow when the fixtures are selected. I’ve looked for a global desk setting for RGB vs CMY (I thought there was one in older ZerOS) but I can’t find it. The only other fixtures patched are some dimmers - there are no CMY fixtures patched. What am I doing wrong/what have I forgotten from 7.8 days since being spoiled with later ZerOS on FLX? Ta! Also I need one fader cap for same if anyone has one! And also the front USB ports aren’t working if anyone has any ideas (rear one is working ok). We’ll check the internal cables.

Have you seen an Orb front panel? 🤣

As far as I’m aware you can select the fixture and then edit with the on-console editor. https://www.zero88.com/manuals/zeros/patching/add-fixtures/edit-export

Yea, me! 😆