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Sorry Rob...! Edward - Can I get the MACRO to NAME the new cue at the same time with something like: RECORD MACRO x ENTER -> Commands -> 1 THRU @ . RECORD NAME "DBO" ENTER MACRO Hold on - that will probably name the MACRO rather than the RECORDed cue???

Interesting... I've been using ENTER ENTER @. which of course "only" turns off lights that are on (but is very quick and easy to type). Edward - with your syntax I guess this records every fixture at intensity 0 so you don't get the issue I potentially have with a tracked updating causing the DBO not to be dark? Hmmm like, that. Needs a macro though as you say as that is more a mouthful of keystrokes. I really must look up how to record and use Macros for keystrokes... Thanks! Kevin

(Edward posted about a half second before me - hope I don't contradict him!) If you're in Tracking and mostly using SmartTag, then I think you should be fine adding in the movers later: playing back the cue, using syntax/palettes to set up your movers and then using Update. Use of Cue Only will depend if you want the mover as set to only be in the current cue, or if you will put it in at an early cue (then allow it to track through some cues) then take it out at a later cue. In your Monday rehearsal, being able to step back and play over a sequence of cues would be a real benefit here. Not being able to would indeed worry me too. Depends on the type of rehearsal. Sometime at our techs, if they are faffing about on stage with some prop or costume, I'll go back a few cues and quickly step though any "thorny patch" to make sure the recording plays back as I expect. Also it depends if you have snapshot blocking cues. I used to always record a blackout as a blocking cue, but since using more movers I've stopped doing this now as it breaks move-on-dark. Of course there is always the hazard that you edit a cue before the DBO and find the light is still on in the DBO. With tracking though this is generally easy to see, as you only have to run the cue before the DBO then step into the DBO to check you really are dark - and do an Update to the DBO cue if you did indeed have something on due to tracking. If you're using Effects then you have to watch out that SmartTag will not record a "No Effect" if the light went dark. There are plenty of posts on this Forum with people saying "my lights are still dancing even though they are off". So if you add a mover in to a cue to do some dancing, then in the (next) cue where you want the dancing to stop, remember to: select your light, select No Effect, select @0, then when you do the Update, turn off Smart Tag (and remember SmartTag will stay off until you enable it again!!!) to ensure the No Effect gets recorded. Also with movers - and may be tricky in your timescale - is it's essential to have your Position Palettes set up, because messing about with Pan and Tilt during a rehearsal is just impractical as it takes so long. Get yourself ready by having your movers patched into the desk with the correct mode setting. Then record and name some placeholder palettes for DSL, DSC, DSR etc, so when you rig your movers, you can step through each position palette, set the mover there (yes this takes [me] ages), then Update your palette. Actually even at your first rehersal without the movers hung, you could programme your cues with the movers at non-zero intensity and having triggered the required position palette. Of course at this stage it will be a junk position. but when you have the mover rigged, it will at least come on and you can move the position and Update the Position Palette there and then which of course will be then correct for the subsequent mover cues required at that position (Palettes are referenced not copied into the cue). When you have the movers there, you can of couse then tweak the intensity in the cue and set colour/gobo etc and Update the cue - but at least you have a starter-for-10 in place. Of course if you happen to forget at the initial programming, then just add it in at the second rehearsal, you're no worse off. I'm assuming at your first plotting rehearsal, you will have "more" time and be under less pressure so can take your time and set some groundwork in place. Then at the second rehearsal when you're getting evil stares, you minimise how many changes you need to do to integrate your movers into your show. Adding an Effect (movement etc) will always be more of a challenge, and probably will be a time consumer on the second rehearsal, but the more general use of the movers as specials or highlights can probably be done to a reasonable extent before you actually rig them. Get those Palettes drafted in would be a wise move. On Fat Frog I was a disaster in Partial mode, however on FLX I just use the tracking mode. and with Update and SmartTag (care as above) I have few problems these days. One thing to learn beforehand (and I've posted lots on this and Edward has explained), is how to properly remove from a cue a fixture you accidentally recorded in. I think this is better in later ZerOS (late 7.9.x) as I used to have real problems with this, but these days I can (generally!) get it to work! However don't ask me to explain now, I'd need to look it up again!!! Hope that helps. Sorry I've waffled on a bit, but hopefully some of those ideas will help out! Good Luck! Kevin

Shift+Encoder wheel might be what you want?

Attach your showfile here is the quickest way the Z88 chaps can help you with this.

Ok cool. Well done for making some sense from my rather poorly worded phone reply! See p50 of the manual. Also note that you will probably need to release the triggered playback in a later cue - say you have a chase running, you would trigger it from a cue when you want it to start then in some later cue release it when you want it to stop. Drop us another line here if you can’t find the info you need. Kevin

The exact button might have changed since this KB but it’s under Setup somewhere, one of the later menus! http://support.zero88.com/Legacy-Products/Legacy-Consoles/Legacy-ZerOS/ORB-XF/1014189311/What-is-Tagging.htm

Sounds like you have the desk in non tracking snapshot mode otherwise what you said in your first post should just work. Pulling the playback down will be doing a Release of those channels. I think what you’re seeing also says to me you’re in non tracking mode.

Use a new playback and create a cue stack to trigger each of your preprogrammed playbacks. You can set the auto cues to trigger from the beginning or end of the current cue with a wait time offset so you can use the style to suit how you set up your fades. This is in the manual. You can also trigger multiple playbacks with an offset if you so wish then your lighting moves can overlap in creative ways.

You can of course use a stand alone WiFi access point connected to the desk via an Ethernet cable.

Just be aware that the display format is different on the Groups/Colours window on the external monitor on FLX and FLX S48.

On FLX series? Probably not as I guess it needs some driver installed to at least configure it.

Excellent, I now know how to get a fast response to a query 😈 But it's good to know that the knowledge is still in-house, since whilst these tools are currently perfectly usable, there may come a time when we need a 2.6.0.1! Yea, but that doesn't make me feel comforted by the prospect... (internal development/test tool becomes primary tool for users...).

Do you mean under "Special"? If so then Red Positive etc mean defined things to the desk, it's not there as a "user nicety". The Special setting is used by the desk when doing fixture replacement so the new fixture can map as best as possible to the features of the fixture being removed. Cyan/Magenta/Yellow are there for subtractive fixtures (colour wheel in front of a lamp like a MAC500), Red/Green/Blue there for additive fixtures (like LED sources). So you're not going to get an entry for "Rosy Pink". White and Amber (LEDs) need to use the "Other" setting. I don't use the Wizard so can't help you on the rest. Regarding other Fixture Tools enhancements I think this is highly unlikely since I think this tool was written and last updated many (many) years ago, probably by someone who has long since left Z88 and they've probably lost the source code... 🤣 (this will be confirmed by the deathly silence following this post...!) I understand Jon wants to have a fixture tool as part of the FLX/ZerOS software - although personally I like having the Windows utility where I can do show-prep offline. I realise that a Windows-only utility winds up people who use Macs though and for practical purposes where you get landed with a new fixture at a venue (or need to do a mod to an existing fixture definition), having a desk-based function would be highly desirable... Kevin

Set them up as you want. RECORD -> HOME.

Maybe you can use Save Setup and Palette ?

Still not directly answering your initial question, but does anything in this thread give you anything more workable?

Your lights flicker problem doesn't sound battery related (although the clock probably does). Good idea to change it though, follow these instructions: Regards your light flicker, did you really test all of the cables? Did you use the exact same cables when using your PC software - i.e. take the DMX plug out of the back of the Frog and plug it into your PC DMX interface? Can you take the Frog to the dimmer room and use one *known good* DMX cable to plug into one of your dimmers and confirm the fault? If it's a Fat Frog or above have you tried both DMX outputs on the desk? Can you try in a different dimmers one-to-one?

That manual looks really good. I think you have all the info there you need. If you need any tips then have a look at a MAC250 or MAC500 fixture profile as it will have similar entries. Give me a shout if you want me to have a bash at making one as an example. Kevin

Check you have release on lower configured (Setup->Playback button). Sorry don’t have my desk or a rig out at the moment to try and it out.

I’ve often just used a screen grab from the pdf manual, so no it can be whatever it is. When you read it into the Detail tab then it gets scaled. Kevin

Rainbow effect then set Fader Controls -> Effect ?

To clarify we're not saying you should records lots of playbacks with red, green and blue etc and have to mix from primaries all of the time. More that you record playbacks, with restricted attribute information that you can combine to make more interesting scenes. For example you might have a playback with only spot positions for the musos (only record position). Then you might have another playback that has certain colours (I don't just mean RGB) for those spots (only record colour). You might have another playback that sets all those spots to white. You might have another playback that puts gobos in (only record beamshape). You might have another playback that you use as a "base" that has a certain position, colour and beamshape. You trigger that first, then think, ok I want the gobos in for the backlights - so then push up the playback that only has backlight gobos programmed in. So a given scene might have 3 or 4 playbacks active, with each providing part of the picture. And of course you should use palettes and do palette referencing so when you move to a new venue, you update your position palettes and all of your position playbacks automatically see and use the updated positions. Easy to say of course - this takes time to set this up the first time, but potentially gives you more flexibility. When the band add a new song, say some soppy balad, and you need a pink wash, you just create a playback with the pink in it. Then you use that as your "colour component" when mixing on to of your existing position and beamshape playbacks. It all comes down to recording only certain stuff into a playback, not everything for every fixture.

You need to be in Partial Mode. (This in itself has a lot of implications if you're not already in Partial Mode if you've already programmed your show). I'd also ensure you have 10.12 software on the Frog and select Partial Mode with Tracking is what I'd recommend. When you record the submaster, the only attribute that should be tagged is the appropriate attribute (intensity, colour, beamshape, position) of the mover you're talking about. Then when you raise this submaster then only information that will change is that attribute of that mover. I'm not clear from your question if you just want to fade up the intensity, or move the mover to a new position. Acoordingly before you record you should only tag the intensity or position of that mover. When you know the solution, it's "easy" - however getting there may be a more complex journey, so I wish you good luck! (This is all perfectly do-able on the Frog, but I don't think you can switch between Full and Partial mode without consequence, unlike the FLX's where you can switch the equivalent setting at will. With Frog you need to decide your programming approach [Full or Partial] upfront.).

You're experiencing "Latest Takes Precedence" behaviour plus you're recording your other memories with too much information. For example you are recording a memory with your other light settings and including "new" information (like make it red) for the spotlight you want to stay white. Thus when you execute this new memory, your white spotlight gets new information from the memory that says "change to red" - and because that information is "later", then LTP behaviour causes your spot to change. Regardless if you are creating a cuestack or using individual playbacks with "looks" (or "partial looks") on it, you should read up on tagging - so that you only record into a memory the information you want to change. i.e. you'd not tag your "spot" so it didn't get new information from your other "look" memories. Other options, although more clunky, but possibly a get-out-of-jail, is to PARK your spot - this stops it being affected by anything. However when you want to change this spot, you need to un-park it first. Relevant KB articles include: http://support.zero88.com/Legacy-Products/Legacy-Consoles/Legacy-ZerOS/ORB-XF/1014189311/What-is-Tagging.htm http://support.zero88.com/Legacy-Products/Legacy-Consoles/Legacy-ZerOS/ORB-XF/975070091/RGB-Colour-Mixing-on-Faders-Changing-Fixture-Defaults.htm http://support.zero88.com/Legacy-Products/Legacy-Consoles/Legacy-ZerOS/ORB-XF/1011405471/Fader-Controls.htm http://support.zero88.com/Legacy-Products/Legacy-Consoles/Legacy-ZerOS/ORB-XF/1011403601/What-is-Parking.htm http://support.zero88.com/Legacy-Products/Legacy-Consoles/Legacy-ZerOS/ORB-XF/1011587771/How-do-I-manually-Release-a-Playback.htm And this jargon series from this Christmas (see HTP, LTP, Tracking, Park, Busking, maybe Inhibit):