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Hi, The previous thread in this section of the forum is the same question. In particular see the link to the Zero88 article that describes how to do this: This is probably the most common question on this Forum!

Are you going via a USB hub or is the key directly in the console? If a USB hub then a powered version is recommended.

You need to ‘separate parameters’ on colour since you are programming a hard ‘blue=0’ in the red playback. By default, Colour will tag all colour parameters when you adjust one, so when you adjust red then blue green white etc will also get tagged. If you do SETUP COLOUR there should be an option ‘Keep Parameters Separate’ (or something like that). For Colour it defaults to No, change it to Yes. Then when you adjust red only red will get tagged so only red recorded. If David has linked the article I think he has then this should be explained in more detail there. HTH

I think the situation you have is when all of your playbacks release, the desk is looking for what to do with the lights, and there is nothing left controlling them, so in this situation it reverts to the default which is Home and that is usually (with a "correctly" constructed fixture), on at max in white. Wait for Edward to correct me if this is wrong, but I think you need to edit the Home for the fixtures of interest. This is done by programming your fixtures - in your case intensity=0, and RECORD HOME (with SmartTag off, since you want to record that zero intensity). I believe this is in accordance with Edward's comment here:

Both I would have thought. I suspect much testing of code is done on Phantom...

I'm not sure that's really how the programmer is intended to work and I think changing that could muddle the use model - as far as I understand it, the programmer is a staging post for assembling the data for a cue. I realise you can busk in a crude sense with the programmer - in that you can get a live look, even timed with Programmer Time, but I don't thinks it's seriously intended for actual live "booked-and-paid-for" busking use. I sympathise, but I'm not sure that would be the right sort of update. Still it's not my call! Is there a specific reason you use the programmer like this - is it that you get access to more variables for your look than having a few pages of playbacks/submasters? Don't you find it clumsy/clunky to get out of the "programmer state" and get the rig back under control in a "professional" way?

Hmm yea if your live stage state is from the programmer then maybe you are in trouble. Let's see if Edward says your approach is viable if you're using programmer state live. Sorry I can't be any more help!

Turn off SmartTag when you record. Make sure you only changed the colour attributes to red. Ensure Setup on the button says Release on Lower. I usually use a UDK for something like this - usually a strobe for me using RGBxx LEDs. Same process.

I like that way of thinking about it - building blocks vs looks.

This thread might also help with your two questions. There are quite a few questions around this topic, so worth taking a look at other forum posts. This topic tends to be the headline subject, so should be quite easy to spot. Also the online manual is a useful resource: https://zero88.com/manuals/zeros/cues-playbacks/record-options/snapshot-smarttag?filter=2

Multicell fixtures are properly implemented in the next ZerOS release which is in beta testing now. In the ZerOS you have you will find that the multicell fixture is patched as separate fixtures for each cell plus a fixture with the common stuff. With appropriate selection you should be able to get effects to run across them (which is why the current scheme is to patch cells separately).

Hi. The root of your issues is probably SmartTag. As you are trying to set up a range of playbacks with only very specific information recorded you will need to turn off SmartTag in the Record options. Simplistically with SmartTag on, you will only record information for fixtures with non-zero intensity. This is probably the root of your comment ‘chasers always seem to map the intensity’. When you turn off SmartTag, only the information that is ‘tagged’ will get recorded (tagging usually occurs when you ‘adjust’ something). Further this means you can record colour/position etc without needing a non-zero intensity and also you don't record the intensity. You might need to click some other buttons in the Record options to say what you do want to record - because you will probably need intensity "up" to see what you're doing with colour/position etc, but you won't want that intensity recorded to the playback. Hope this gives you enough hints to get you started as it seems otherwise you know what you’re doing. In short you should be able to achieve what you need relatively easily once you get your settings and mind around it! Edward will probably give a more comprehensive reply tomorrow. Kevin

No worries, let us know how you get on and if you need more help. Can't have Frogs lying around not getting used... Kevin

Hi, As you already have a *Frog there is probably nothing new I could tell you. So: @iank99 will be your man. He lives in Coventry but worked for Central Theatre Supplies in Hall Green for many years. He will be able to check the desk over and if any repairs are needed he will may be able to get spares from Zero88 as he's an authorised service centre. If not, come back here and we'll see what we can suggest... (I have a Fat Frog, although it's been in hibernation for a few years...)

https://zero88.com/manuals/zeros/controlling-fixtures/max-level Select fixture(s). DELETE HOME (max level)

No problem! Glad you found them! 🙂

Hi. Do you mean effects rather than palettes? Figure-of-8 is in Effects rather than position palettes. Sometimes with beta software there is an effects.zbr file that is needed in addition but this should not be the case for production software. What version of ZerOS did you update *from* and *to*? Looking through the Beta forum it seems the effects palettes are contained within the Fixture Library: https://zero88.com/library

You’ll need to reload your showfile from USB to get any position palettes you programmed. (You did of course save your showfile before doing the software update!). You won’t get any position palettes by default. If you’ve patched a moving head it’s likely you will be able to generate some auto-palettes for colour, beam and shape depending on the capabilities of your mover.

999 I think? Maybe plus some point cues too. I don’t think you’ll have a capacity issue!

Aha! That sounds better, I knew there was something that didn’t feel quite right with my approach as @Davidmkhighlighted. David if you give this a go, please post the results! Having a ‘bleed through’ of some arbitrary underlying state is something I can tend to need too. Again usually colour but could also apply to eg gobos. Edward - is channel level release something anyone else has requested? Not sure how feasible this would be. Regards, Kevin

Hi David. You need to release colour channels where you want the underlying cue colours to take effect. I’m not sure you can do this on a per channel basis though, only on a playback. If your chase is not too long maybe each step could be a playback and use a macro to link together each playback. That’s a bit of a guess though. I’ll be interested in any suggestions from Edward. regards, Kevin

This seems to have attracted ZOS-7126 which has been implemented in ZerOS 7.9.9.32. Thanks chaps, much appreciated! 😀 "ZOS-7126 Grey box indicators in Output Window now display during Move-on-Dark, and hide when complete" All users - see, even after 6 years, you can get your requests implemented! 🤣

It takes a lot of experience. I have had the FLX desk for 6 years yet I am still a novice! Yet FLX is far more powerful than previous lighting control desks I have used.

Delfine - your English is good. Better than my French! You are having a technical conversation with specialist terminology which makes it extra hard! You are doing fine! SmartTag=on = common usage SmartTag=off = advanced usage Usually if you are programming a sequential cue stack, SmartTag is normal. If you are splitting parameters and need detailed control of what is recorded (or updated) then usually you will need SmartTag off so the user has precise control.

Hi Delfine, This is a situation where you will need to turn off SmartTag. I think the process will be: Go into the Cue On your PARLEDs, make the intensity >0% so you can see them lit, then set the colour as required. Set the intensity of your PARLEDs back to 0% UPDATE and turn off SmartTag As Edward explained in another thread, if SmartTag is turned on, the console will only record other tagged parameters if the intensity is >0%. If you turn off SmartTag, then the parameters that are tagged in the Programmer will be recorded into the cue regardless of intensity. For your intensity playback, you will also need to turn SmartTag off (probably), since you will only want to record intensity values and not colour/beamshape/position parameters. I hope this helps. Edward will probably give a better and more complete explanation later, but I hope this helps if you are trying to programme now. Regards, Kevin